Havoc Begins

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  1. Yeah I'm gonna do natty after this. And I'm going to do everything in my power to keep my gains. This is off topic but my arms started out at 12" which is pathetic and now they're almost 13". I used gainer shakes for a month before I started so that might have something to do with the quick jump up. Thanks again for your input. And I agree, I could of waited and done things differently and I will from now on. Life's a constant learning cycle



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  2. You won't ever see an inch in a month without serious gear. Its probably a coincidence of measuring after a work out or something. A whole inch is much more than it seems. I've gained 2 inches in about 3+ years. Granted inches are WAY harder for a guy my height.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    You won't ever see an inch in a month without serious gear. Its probably a coincidence of measuring after a work out or something. A whole inch is much more than it seems. I've gained 2 inches in about 3+ years. Granted inches are WAY harder for a guy my height.
    Yeah I worked arms 2 days ago. Been at work all day and haven't done anything that would require my arms to get pumped. So idk, who knows lol. Either way, I'm happy haha

  4. Following man.
    Hows the weight going? any sides? Who is your Havoc by?

  5. Also Whats your training routine like?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by leanfrk View Post
    Following man.
    Hows the weight going? any sides? Who is your Havoc by?
    It's made by RPN. And no sides so far. Again I'm only 3 days in. Weight is up 12lbs but mostly from weight gainers

  7. Quote Originally Posted by leanfrk View Post
    Also Whats your training routine like?
    6 on one off. Going hard. Chest/Tri, Shoulders/Biceps, Legs/Abs. Not in that order. Still sorting things out.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by SkinnyChase View Post
    6 on one off. Going hard. Chest/Tri, Shoulders/Biceps, Legs/Abs. Not in that order. Still sorting things out.
    I am currently 12 days into my Halo Extreme and I am getting fantastic results and this is my routine. Consider this for yourself maybe?Monday-Chest/Back 5-10repsTuesday-Shoulders/Deadlifts/Abs 5-10repswednesday-Bicep/Tricep 5-10repsThursday-Squats/Abs 15-3repsFriday-Chest/Back 15-30repsSaturday-Bicep/Tricep 20-40repsReally looking forward to hear how this goes for you as I ordered RPN Havoc on monday.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by leanfrk View Post
    I am currently 12 days into my Halo Extreme and I am getting fantastic results and this is my routine. Consider this for yourself maybe?Monday-Chest/Back 5-10repsTuesday-Shoulders/Deadlifts/Abs 5-10repswednesday-Bicep/Tricep 5-10repsThursday-Squats/Abs 15-3repsFriday-Chest/Back 15-30repsSaturday-Bicep/Tricep 20-40repsReally looking forward to hear how this goes for you as I ordered RPN Havoc on monday.
    You may feel good but it will take almost twice that long to start affecting any strength or body composition. You will gain a few pounds off the bat in the first week but thats all. Placebo and motivation are an amazing combo, though. Just wait until 25 days in, then you will really like.


    Quote Originally Posted by SkinnyChase View Post
    It's made by RPN. And no sides so far. Again I'm only 3 days in. Weight is up 12lbs but mostly from weight gainers
    I think he was asking in reference to since starting Havoc. Have you gained anything since your first dose? You'll prob put a few pounds on in the first week, just getting primed up though Week 3-6 tells the true tale.

  10. Did chest and triceps today. Tomorrow is much needed abs. Today is day 4 and the 3rd day at 30MG.



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  11. Question: After my workout today, my triceps are shaking/having spasms if I put any weight or flex them. I pushed myself to the limit using 40lb dbs for extensions. This a good thing? I drink plenty of water and milk every day. Maybe pushing them to the brink is good? Thanks.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by SkinnyChase View Post
    Question: After my workout today, my triceps are shaking/having spasms if I put any weight or flex them. I pushed myself to the limit using 40lb dbs for extensions. This a good thing? I drink plenty of water and milk every day. Maybe pushing them to the brink is good? Thanks.
    Could be just more intensity then usual so your central nervous system's connection to the receptors in your triceps going a little haywire. As long as there is no serious pain keep pushing it to the limit! Remember the S.A.I.D principle (Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demand) Demand them to grow and get strong and thats what they will do!!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    You may feel good but it will take almost twice that long to start affecting any strength or body composition. You will gain a few pounds off the bat in the first week but thats all. Placebo and motivation are an amazing combo, though. Just wait until 25 days in, then you will really like.

    If this is the case then wouldn't a 30day cycle be kind of a waste if your only going to have 5 really good days? I definitely think it has kicked in already though because before I started my max squat was 260 for 1 and this week I squated 275 for 1. Thats a big jump for a 2weeks mainly placebo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leanfrk View Post
    If this is the case then wouldn't a 30day cycle be kind of a waste if your only going to have 5 really good days? I definitely think it has kicked in already though because before I started my max squat was 260 for 1 and this week I squated 275 for 1. Thats a big jump for a 2weeks mainly placebo?
    That's why I suggested six weeks. Probably placebo effect on strength. Not gonna notice much till maybe week two.
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  15. Yeah I'm pushing the limit. That's why I'm seeing my muscles grow now more than ever. If week 3-6 is gonna be better, I can't wait!!! Super stoked. Went to *** today and got Taurine & Liver Support to go along with my cycle assist & creatine. Also grabbed some fish oil and a good multi. Thanks for the help guys! Also everyone that sees me is telling me I already look bigger. That's a HUGE boost to keep going!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by leanfrk View Post

    If this is the case then wouldn't a 30day cycle be kind of a waste if your only going to have 5 really good days? I definitely think it has kicked in already though because before I started my max squat was 260 for 1 and this week I squated 275 for 1. Thats a big jump for a 2weeks mainly placebo?
    Yes, a 30 day cycle of Epi or Halo is a waste.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by SkinnyChase View Post
    Yeah I'm pushing the limit. That's why I'm seeing my muscles grow now more than ever. If week 3-6 is gonna be better, I can't wait!!! Super stoked. Went to *** today and got Taurine & Liver Support to go along with my cycle assist & creatine. Also grabbed some fish oil and a good multi. Thanks for the help guys! Also everyone that sees me is telling me I already look bigger. That's a HUGE boost to keep going!
    Surprised no one has asked this, or maybe I missed it, but how's your eating? Do you know what you're getting in protein and calories? Where are your macros coming from?

    Does anyone else think he should throttle back on the training frequency? Six days a week, hitting everything twice I imagine, is an awful tall order for a guy who is clearly a very hard gainer, even with chemical help. I would suggest not doing more than four days a week, and really think a Monday/Wednesday/Friday split would be best.

    Oh yeah, don't worry about the quivering triceps. That just means you hit em good.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by chris223 View Post

    Surprised no one has asked this, or maybe I missed it, but how's your eating? Do you know what you're getting in protein and calories? Where are your macros coming from?

    Does anyone else think he should throttle back on the training frequency? Six days a week, hitting everything twice I imagine, is an awful tall order for a guy who is clearly a very hard gainer, even with chemical help. I would suggest not doing more than four days a week, and really think a Monday/Wednesday/Friday split would be best.

    Oh yeah, don't worry about the quivering triceps. That just means you hit em good.
    Since I'm bulking, I'm eating anything I want. Breakfast usually consists of scrambled eggs, toast and sometimes oatmeal with a shake. And lunch is left overs from the night before. Usually high calorie high carb foods. And I'm taking in around 3000+ calories. And yeah I'm thinking about a 4 days a week thing too. And yeah the shaking turns into more muscle haha. My arms feel better today, just sore like normal.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by SkinnyChase View Post
    Yeah I'm pushing the limit. That's why I'm seeing my muscles grow now more than ever. If week 3-6 is gonna be better, I can't wait!!! Super stoked. Went to *** today and got Taurine & Liver Support to go along with my cycle assist & creatine. Also grabbed some fish oil and a good multi. Thanks for the help guys! Also everyone that sees me is telling me I already look bigger. That's a HUGE boost to keep going!
    It's really good that you seem motivated but I honestly need to give you some tough love in saying that I think you probably should have done a lot more research and got a little bit more of a routine diet and training under your belt before you started cycling synthetics. Based on your pictures, you could put loads of muscle on without steroids with a good diet and strong program. You have to understand the people telling you that you look bigger has nothing to do with what you're taking. That's all natural because you're actually working hard. These Pro hormones take weeks to build up in your system and start taking effect.

    If I were you I would just start reading the best logs you can find from the most experienced people on this forum. You need to make sure that you set out a good diet that is not just winging it and eating as much as you can and also get a set routine in the gym that does not consist of 6 days on and 1 off. 3-4 days is far better. If you want to hit group twice per week then fine but you can do that in 4 days. Your body needs rest for growth more than it needs to the gym for growth. I'm not coming down on you but I read through some of these posts and it kind of worries me. Get a diet plan and 3-4 day routine worked out and lets hear it. Its not as easy as take a pill, lift hard as many days a week as possible and eat as much as possible. Sorry for the toughness but at 155 with what seems to be very little lifting knowledge, this seemed needed. You're taking steroids, man.

  20. ^^^ ive been holding that in since he started

  21. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    ^^^ ive been holding that in since he started
    Talk to text for the win! May not have happened otherwise haha

  22. Lol triuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. You should need atleaat 3+ years of training before doing to the dark side

  23. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    Lol triuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. You should need atleaat 3+ years of training before doing to the dark side
    Yeah I know. Blame it on my ADD lol. But ANYWAYS, Now that that's out there lol. Already started so I'm sticking to it. But I do agree.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    It's really good that you seem motivated but I honestly need to give you some tough love in saying that I think you probably should have done a lot more research and got a little bit more of a routine diet and training under your belt before you started cycling synthetics. Based on your pictures, you could put loads of muscle on without steroids with a good diet and strong program. You have to understand the people telling you that you look bigger has nothing to do with what you're taking. That's all natural because you're actually working hard. These Pro hormones take weeks to build up in your system and start taking effect.

    If I were you I would just start reading the best logs you can find from the most experienced people on this forum. You need to make sure that you set out a good diet that is not just winging it and eating as much as you can and also get a set routine in the gym that does not consist of 6 days on and 1 off. 3-4 days is far better. If you want to hit group twice per week then fine but you can do that in 4 days. Your body needs rest for growth more than it needs to the gym for growth. I'm not coming down on you but I read through some of these posts and it kind of worries me. Get a diet plan and 3-4 day routine worked out and lets hear it. Its not as easy as take a pill, lift hard as many days a week as possible and eat as much as possible. Sorry for the toughness but at 155 with what seems to be very little lifting knowledge, this seemed needed. You're taking steroids, man.
    I completely agree with pushing natural as hard as you can till much closer to your peak natural performance. However the thing I do disagree with is recovery time is much faster when using pro hormones so that should be maximized. Also for hard gainers weight comes on faster (generally) when training 5xweek with weights. As long as there is enough sleep, enough macro and micro nutrients the body should be able to recover fine with a 6xweek program if set up correctly, especially with pro hormones. I dont mean to start an argument or anything just putting in my knowledge as a PT.
    So Mr. Chase I imagine will make up his own mind as will everyone else on this forum so I think the best thing to keep in mind is to get as much advice as one can and critically anylize it for yourself and come up with an educated decision best on all info.

    Hopefully didn't offend anyone.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by leanfrk View Post
    However the thing I do disagree with is recovery time is much faster when using pro hormones so that should be maximized. Also for hard gainers weight comes on faster (generally) when training 5xweek with weights. As long as there is enough sleep, enough macro and micro nutrients the body should be able to recover fine with a 6xweek program if set up correctly, especially with pro hormones. I dont mean to start an argument or anything just putting in my knowledge as a PT.
    What?! I also don't mean to offend so I hope you don't get upset if I'm curt here, BUT...

    First of all, he isn't taking a prohormone. He's taking a steroid. Second, since when do hardgainers do better with less rest? That's completely counterintuitive. There's no way spending more time in the gym will add more mass to someone whose body is already reluctant to do so, even with the aid of steroids. The harder it is for someone to gain, the less time they should spend in the gym. He needs to apply a stimulus for growth - that's training intensely - and then go home and eat. Minimal physical activity outside the gym, plenty of sleep, and a day of rest between each session is probably ideal. A Doggcrapp-style split would probably be best for him; not a Doggcrapp routine, as that's too advanced for him, but the split would be ideal. The body split into two sessions, training Monday/Wednesday/Friday, or at least every other day. I've never ever ever seen or heard anything to make me believe or even suggest that hardgainers do better training more often, steroids or otherwise. And it's not like he's on a heavy cycle that will supercharge his recovery capacity. It's just Epi.

    Again, sorry if I sound rough, but it just really threw me to read that. If you've got data to support your point I'll apologize and backtrack, but I don't think such data exists.

    Man, there's a ton of hot chicks just pouring out of the grocery store, and I'm sitting here in my truck wasting time effing around with you guys...

  26. I love you guys. I know I should have waited and done more but that's too late. Thanks for the advice even it if means arguing amongst yourselves. Have a good weekend everyone! And go get them girls bro!

  27. I started out <170 lbs @ 6'6" so lean is an understatement. The less time for me to generate a proper growth stimulus, the better. Its just more cals burned than used for hypertrophy after a certain point. Everyone has a different curve for optimum recovery, I just see a hardgainer like myself when I see your pics. Time will tell what works best for you.

  28. So week 1 is in the books. Starting weight 150. Weight now is 158-160 depending on time of day. Pretty much all gains I've gotten have been very lean muscle. Pecs starting to form, shoulders getting more defined and round. Overall, good first week. Looking forward to second week at 30 and then 40 for the 3rd - 5th week. Thanks again for all the advice and lectures guys. It really means a lot.
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    Will post tomorrow. Too much stuff going on with the kiddos. You're from Conroe? Just moved from Spring to Sugar land lol. Local Texan.
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