[nostrum420]

There is no way to answer this question with any degree of hard evidence. Based purely on my experiences and research, I'd rank them like this:

Most to least toxic

Anadrol/M1T/Methyl Tren
Dianabol/SD
DMZ?/Phera
Winstrol/Epistane/H-Drol
Anavar/Dienolone stuff/etc etc

I could be way off. SD might be far more toxic than Dbol and Anadrol, or it might only be something more like Phera or Epistane. Generally speaking, my thought is this: the more dramatic the gains, the more toxic it is. This is a common trade off with steroids. Gains vs. health risks. Since SD is among the strongest, I'd treat it with respect. Run UDCA. Run Milk Thistle if you like as well. Stay off the alcohol before AND after the cycle for a while. Eat right. Do cardio. Stay healthy as you can while you run it.

This is also why the general public, media and government typically assume that giant bodybuilders are at a severe health risk since they have in some cases double their mass over time. Granted, this isn't always the case. That's the point of cycling and running ancillaries throughout - to protect and recover the body's healthy state.

So that list is something I have created as a rule of thumb on how to treat each compound. Sure, there are far more compounds that I am not familiar with that could fit in various places in there but you get the picture. I'd treat DMZ like Phera or SD if I were you.

Most bloods show D-bol being considerably less toxic than SD. Also, DMZ tends be a bit less toxic than SD. UDCA or TUDCA will pretty much mitigate risk of serious liver issues from any reasonable cycle though...

[Gym4Life]

You're going to crap yourself when you find out that they also have a phera type DS and 7aDbol in the mix as well. Hopefully all of these deliver. With new products you always question the beta testers.

Oh my I just did runs to the toilet I've never ever got to use phera plex it was before my time buts its legendary status has allways made me want to try it if they bring a phera out man I'd be ordering me hundreds !!!

Not really interested in the dbol heck who wants water weight and to lose it all after ... Ill stick with Epi or sdrol

[nostrum420]

Oh my I just did runs to the toilet I've never ever got to use phera plex it was before my time buts its legendary status has allways made me want to try it if they bring a phera out man I'd be ordering me hundreds !!!

Not really interested in the dbol heck who wants water weight and to lose it all after ... Ill stick with Epi or sdrol

7-methyl D-bol is unfortunately not gonna happen. 2-cyano-Phera may be a little closer than I had thought though...

[tinytony]

7-methyl D-bol is unfortunately not gonna happen. 2-cyano-Phera may be a little closer than I had thought though...

How long? Can't wait

[musclefool]

How long? Can't wait

April 1st is when I think they start making shipments

[OnionKnight]

April 1st is when I think they start making shipments

i think he ment when are they releasing the phera product.

if im right, one of the reps mentioned earlier on here that its a long ways out. something about still needing to create the raw forumula, ship to US, print the labels, box. pretty much still just an idea lol

[tinytony]

i think he ment when are they releasing the phera product.

if im right, one of the reps mentioned earlier on here that its a long ways out. something about still needing to create the raw forumula, ship to US, print the labels, box. pretty much still just an idea lol

Phera is what I was talking about yep!

[bigt405]

Phera was awesome! I will be ordering some this new stuff as soon as it is available

[nostrum420]

Phera is what I was talking about yep!

Apparently some was getting tested; I'm waiting on more info from my Board Admin. As soon as I have any more news I'll post it.

[Hyde]

Well I ordered 2 bottles of the promethylmasteron, I hope you're happy. I still have 2 bottles of SD ratholed, and I don't think I'm even gonna try those for a bit! But $19, dang. I can sell em for profit later at that price! Gonna give the Ostarine a whirl too, $63 today.

[nostrum420]

Well I ordered 2 bottles of the promethylmasteron, I hope you're happy. I still have 2 bottles of SD ratholed, and I don't think I'm even gonna try those for a bit! But $19, dang. I can sell em for profit later at that price! Gonna give the Ostarine a whirl too, $63 today.

Yeah I've get a whole mess of Osta on the way myself...

[tinytony]

Apparently some was getting tested; I'm waiting on more info from my Board Admin. As soon as I have any more news I'll post it.

I'm all about it!

[AnabolicHolic]

I got enough SD stocked up to choke a pack of horses! Probably enough for life depending on how long I lift and how often I cycle it lol.

[halfhuman]

I got enough SD stocked up to choke a pack of horses! Probably enough for life depending on how long I lift and how often I cycle it lol.

Lol. I have 3 bottles left. Just used one a month ago.

[OnionKnight]

I got enough SD stocked up to choke a pack of horses! Probably enough for life depending on how long I lift and how often I cycle it lol.

i dont think theyll last a life lol. i only got 2 preban, shoulda got around 5 though. im under the impression that theyre no good after 5 years passed expiration. am i wrong?

[AnabolicHolic]

Lol. I have 3 bottles left. Just used one a month ago.

i dont think theyll last a life lol. i only got 2 preban, shoulda got around 5 though. im under the impression that theyre no good after 5 years passed expiration. am i wrong?

well 2 1/2 Beast and 3 LGI thats a lot of pills there, so maybe not "life"....but a good long while, or at least until I get too old to lift heavy weights if used sparingly lol

oh, and I froze them all. figured its the best bet for keeping them fresh long term.

[nostrum420]

I'm all about it!

My Board Admin says we'll hopefully have it out sometime this summer

[SpotmeyungLad]

i dont think theyll last a life lol. i only got 2 preban, shoulda got around 5 though. im under the impression that theyre no good after 5 years passed expiration. am i wrong?

Correct me if I am wrong, but on my celtic mass it said it is good until 2015

[nostrum420]

Correct me if I am wrong, but on my celtic mass it said it is good until 2015

I think the most you can put on the majority of supps is 2 years. If kept in a cool dry place PHs in regular capsules (or powder in a sealed container) should last nearly forever. Also one would generally see a loss of potency over time; they won't spoil like milk

[csa2179]

I think the most you can put on the majority of supps is 2 years. If kept in a cool dry place PHs in regular capsules (or powder in a sealed container) should last nearly forever. Also one would generally see a loss of potency over time; they won't spoil like milk

what about old skool phera. i thought it degraded pretty fast. thats why i havent bought any. they were all capped in like 2008. 5 years if they break down add a moderate, they wouldnt be phera any more. whats your take? if im worng im going to pick up a few bottles of phera. cost a small fortune but thats how it goes

[nostrum420]

what about old skool phera. i thought it degraded pretty fast. thats why i havent bought any. they were all capped in like 2008. 5 years if they break down add a moderate, they wouldnt be phera any more. whats your take? if im worng im going to pick up a few bottles of phera. cost a small fortune but thats how it goes

What I posted is a general rule of thumb for steroids. I've never heard of it being any different for Phera but it does have a somewhat unusual structure. Not sure; might be better to wait and save your money for 2-cyano phera

[musclefool]

I just got a bottle of super dmz 2.0 and I'm logging it follow if your interested

[Bodock]

What I posted is a general rule of thumb for steroids. I've never heard of it being any different for Phera but it does have a somewhat unusual structure. Not sure; might be better to wait and save your money for 2-cyano phera

I just dont have enough time and liver for all the new exciting compunds!

[Roun3er]

what about old skool phera. i thought it degraded pretty fast. thats why i havent bought any. they were all capped in like 2008. 5 years if they break down add a moderate, they wouldnt be phera any more. whats your take? if im worng im going to pick up a few bottles of phera. cost a small fortune but thats how it goes

I believe it is heat that causing this degredation, not time. It is more of a conversion than a degradation though. It is still active, just in a different form.

[csa2179]

What I posted is a general rule of thumb for steroids. I've never heard of it being any different for Phera but it does have a somewhat unusual structure. Not sure; might be better to wait and save your money for 2-cyano phera

I've never waited and saved money. I also have money for 2 cyano phera. I'm incredibly tempted to order some of this trestobol. Is it the same as trestolone acetate or structurally similar. From everything I see it appears to be. But everyone keeps acting like its a new compound.