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    Quote Originally Posted by nostrum420 View Post
    I in no way thought you were putting it down We really don't know how it's going to perform yet; we're hoping it gives similar gains to SD with less toxicity but that may be wishful thinking. I'm pretty excited for the future to. Just to build a little more anticipation, we're also working on a new 1-AD (the compound PA was planning to release as 1-AD v.4 but never got to...) that will hopefully be considerably stronger than the 1-androsterone clones available currently.
    Would be very nice..its interesting to compare the quality from different companies..kinda fun lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by musclefool View Post
    How do you notice your liver getting fu*ked up? I want to make sure to get proper supplements for this
    UDCA. Not hard to get either.

    If not, TUDCA will also suffice. 500mg UDCA per day is enough for most harsh oral cycles. TUDCA you could run 750-1000mg per day for same results.

    A few years back I did a run of SD bridged into Trenazone/H-drol. Took bloods 2 days after ending cycle and came back in the normal range. I ran UDCA throughout. Got it all captured in a log here on AM. When I say "captured" I actually mean the pictures of the blood results to prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    UDCA. Not hard to get either.

    If not, TUDCA will also suffice. 500mg UDCA per day is enough for most harsh oral cycles. TUDCA you could run 750-1000mg per day for same results.

    A few years back I did a run of SD bridged into Trenazone/H-drol. Took bloods 2 days after ending cycle and came back in the normal range. I ran UDCA throughout. Got it all captured in a log here on AM. When I say "captured" I actually mean the pictures of the blood results to prove it.
    I was thinking of taking a pct but on my last month cycle with dbol I kept all my gains and still getting stronger.. But lost a little weight which is normal. I have a question.. Is dbol more liver toxic than super dmz 2.0?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musclefool View Post

    I was thinking of taking a pct but on my last month cycle with dbol I kept all my gains and still getting stronger.. But lost a little weight which is normal. I have a question.. Is dbol more liver toxic than super dmz 2.0?
    Just to take this to the extreme, 1 cap of SuperDMZ could possibly be likened to 40mg of methylated compound. This is not precise but they agree both double methylated and that's the rule of thumb I use to just stay super cautious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclefool View Post
    I was thinking of taking a pct but on my last month cycle with dbol I kept all my gains and still getting stronger.. But lost a little weight which is normal. I have a question.. Is dbol more liver toxic than super dmz 2.0?

    There is no way to answer this question with any degree of hard evidence. Based purely on my experiences and research, I'd rank them like this:

    Most to least toxic

    Anadrol/M1T/Methyl Tren
    Dianabol/SD
    DMZ?/Phera
    Winstrol/Epistane/H-Drol
    Anavar/Dienolone stuff/etc etc

    I could be way off. SD might be far more toxic than Dbol and Anadrol, or it might only be something more like Phera or Epistane. Generally speaking, my thought is this: the more dramatic the gains, the more toxic it is. This is a common trade off with steroids. Gains vs. health risks. Since SD is among the strongest, I'd treat it with respect. Run UDCA. Run Milk Thistle if you like as well. Stay off the alcohol before AND after the cycle for a while. Eat right. Do cardio. Stay healthy as you can while you run it.

    This is also why the general public, media and government typically assume that giant bodybuilders are at a severe health risk since they have in some cases double their mass over time. Granted, this isn't always the case. That's the point of cycling and running ancillaries throughout - to protect and recover the body's healthy state.

    So that list is something I have created as a rule of thumb on how to treat each compound. Sure, there are far more compounds that I am not familiar with that could fit in various places in there but you get the picture. I'd treat DMZ like Phera or SD if I were you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    There is no way to answer this question with any degree of hard evidence. Based purely on my experiences and research, I'd rank them like this:

    Most to least toxic

    Anadrol/M1T/Methyl Tren
    Dianabol/SD
    DMZ?/Phera
    Winstrol/Epistane/H-Drol
    Anavar/Dienolone stuff/etc etc

    I could be way off. SD might be far more toxic than Dbol and Anadrol, or it might only be something more like Phera or Epistane. Generally speaking, my thought is this: the more dramatic the gains, the more toxic it is. This is a common trade off with steroids. Gains vs. health risks. Since SD is among the strongest, I'd treat it with respect. Run UDCA. Run Milk Thistle if you like as well. Stay off the alcohol before AND after the cycle for a while. Eat right. Do cardio. Stay healthy as you can while you run it.

    This is also why the general public, media and government typically assume that giant bodybuilders are at a severe health risk since they have in some cases double their mass over time. Granted, this isn't always the case. That's the point of cycling and running ancillaries throughout - to protect and recover the body's healthy state.

    So that list is something I have created as a rule of thumb on how to treat each compound. Sure, there are far more compounds that I am not familiar with that could fit in various places in there but you get the picture. I'd treat DMZ like Phera or SD if I were you.
    Most bloods show D-bol being considerably less toxic than SD. Also, DMZ tends be a bit less toxic than SD. UDCA or TUDCA will pretty much mitigate risk of serious liver issues from any reasonable cycle though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by retroscapers View Post

    You're going to crap yourself when you find out that they also have a phera type DS and 7aDbol in the mix as well. Hopefully all of these deliver. With new products you always question the beta testers.
    Oh my I just did runs to the toilet I've never ever got to use phera plex it was before my time buts its legendary status has allways made me want to try it if they bring a phera out man I'd be ordering me hundreds !!!

    Not really interested in the dbol heck who wants water weight and to lose it all after ... Ill stick with Epi or sdrol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gym4Life View Post
    Oh my I just did runs to the toilet I've never ever got to use phera plex it was before my time buts its legendary status has allways made me want to try it if they bring a phera out man I'd be ordering me hundreds !!!

    Not really interested in the dbol heck who wants water weight and to lose it all after ... Ill stick with Epi or sdrol
    7-methyl D-bol is unfortunately not gonna happen. 2-cyano-Phera may be a little closer than I had thought though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostrum420 View Post
    7-methyl D-bol is unfortunately not gonna happen. 2-cyano-Phera may be a little closer than I had thought though...
    How long? Can't wait
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post

    How long? Can't wait
    April 1st is when I think they start making shipments

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    Quote Originally Posted by musclefool View Post

    April 1st is when I think they start making shipments
    i think he ment when are they releasing the phera product.

    if im right, one of the reps mentioned earlier on here that its a long ways out. something about still needing to create the raw forumula, ship to US, print the labels, box. pretty much still just an idea lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post

    i think he ment when are they releasing the phera product.

    if im right, one of the reps mentioned earlier on here that its a long ways out. something about still needing to create the raw forumula, ship to US, print the labels, box. pretty much still just an idea lol
    Phera is what I was talking about yep!
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    Phera was awesome! I will be ordering some this new stuff as soon as it is available

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post
    Phera is what I was talking about yep!
    Apparently some was getting tested; I'm waiting on more info from my Board Admin. As soon as I have any more news I'll post it.

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    Well I ordered 2 bottles of the promethylmasteron, I hope you're happy. I still have 2 bottles of SD ratholed, and I don't think I'm even gonna try those for a bit! But $19, dang. I can sell em for profit later at that price! Gonna give the Ostarine a whirl too, $63 today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Well I ordered 2 bottles of the promethylmasteron, I hope you're happy. I still have 2 bottles of SD ratholed, and I don't think I'm even gonna try those for a bit! But $19, dang. I can sell em for profit later at that price! Gonna give the Ostarine a whirl too, $63 today.
    Yeah I've get a whole mess of Osta on the way myself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostrum420 View Post

    Apparently some was getting tested; I'm waiting on more info from my Board Admin. As soon as I have any more news I'll post it.
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    I got enough SD stocked up to choke a pack of horses! Probably enough for life depending on how long I lift and how often I cycle it lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    I got enough SD stocked up to choke a pack of horses! Probably enough for life depending on how long I lift and how often I cycle it lol.
    Lol. I have 3 bottles left. Just used one a month ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    I got enough SD stocked up to choke a pack of horses! Probably enough for life depending on how long I lift and how often I cycle it lol.
    i dont think theyll last a life lol. i only got 2 preban, shoulda got around 5 though. im under the impression that theyre no good after 5 years passed expiration. am i wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Lol. I have 3 bottles left. Just used one a month ago.
    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    i dont think theyll last a life lol. i only got 2 preban, shoulda got around 5 though. im under the impression that theyre no good after 5 years passed expiration. am i wrong?
    well 2 1/2 Beast and 3 LGI thats a lot of pills there, so maybe not "life"....but a good long while, or at least until I get too old to lift heavy weights if used sparingly lol

    oh, and I froze them all. figured its the best bet for keeping them fresh long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post
    I'm all about it!
    My Board Admin says we'll hopefully have it out sometime this summer

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    i dont think theyll last a life lol. i only got 2 preban, shoulda got around 5 though. im under the impression that theyre no good after 5 years passed expiration. am i wrong?
    Correct me if I am wrong, but on my celtic mass it said it is good until 2015

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpotmeyungLad View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but on my celtic mass it said it is good until 2015
    I think the most you can put on the majority of supps is 2 years. If kept in a cool dry place PHs in regular capsules (or powder in a sealed container) should last nearly forever. Also one would generally see a loss of potency over time; they won't spoil like milk

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostrum420 View Post
    I think the most you can put on the majority of supps is 2 years. If kept in a cool dry place PHs in regular capsules (or powder in a sealed container) should last nearly forever. Also one would generally see a loss of potency over time; they won't spoil like milk
    what about old skool phera. i thought it degraded pretty fast. thats why i havent bought any. they were all capped in like 2008. 5 years if they break down add a moderate, they wouldnt be phera any more. whats your take? if im worng im going to pick up a few bottles of phera. cost a small fortune but thats how it goes
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    what about old skool phera. i thought it degraded pretty fast. thats why i havent bought any. they were all capped in like 2008. 5 years if they break down add a moderate, they wouldnt be phera any more. whats your take? if im worng im going to pick up a few bottles of phera. cost a small fortune but thats how it goes
    What I posted is a general rule of thumb for steroids. I've never heard of it being any different for Phera but it does have a somewhat unusual structure. Not sure; might be better to wait and save your money for 2-cyano phera

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    I just got a bottle of super dmz 2.0 and I'm logging it follow if your interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostrum420 View Post
    What I posted is a general rule of thumb for steroids. I've never heard of it being any different for Phera but it does have a somewhat unusual structure. Not sure; might be better to wait and save your money for 2-cyano phera
    I just dont have enough time and liver for all the new exciting compunds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    what about old skool phera. i thought it degraded pretty fast. thats why i havent bought any. they were all capped in like 2008. 5 years if they break down add a moderate, they wouldnt be phera any more. whats your take? if im worng im going to pick up a few bottles of phera. cost a small fortune but thats how it goes
    I believe it is heat that causing this degredation, not time. It is more of a conversion than a degradation though. It is still active, just in a different form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nostrum420 View Post

    What I posted is a general rule of thumb for steroids. I've never heard of it being any different for Phera but it does have a somewhat unusual structure. Not sure; might be better to wait and save your money for 2-cyano phera
    I've never waited and saved money. I also have money for 2 cyano phera. I'm incredibly tempted to order some of this trestobol. Is it the same as trestolone acetate or structurally similar. From everything I see it appears to be. But everyone keeps acting like its a new compound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roun3er View Post
    I believe it is heat that causing this degredation, not time. It is more of a conversion than a degradation though. It is still active, just in a different form.
    correct. Heat and air. Keep it factory sealed and cold (frozen for me) and it ain't degrading

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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    I've never waited and saved money. I also have money for 2 cyano phera. I'm incredibly tempted to order some of this trestobol. Is it the same as trestolone acetate or structurally similar. From everything I see it appears to be. But everyone keeps acting like its a new compound.
    lol @ "I never wait" Trestobol is Trestolone Acetate. It's a new compound to the PH/DS world that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostrum420 View Post
    lol @ "I never wait" Trestobol is Trestolone Acetate. It's a new compound to the PH/DS world that's all.
    there is plenty of time to wait............when your dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostrum420 View Post
    lol @ "I never wait" Trestobol is Trestolone Acetate. It's a new compound to the PH/DS world that's all.
    well you got me i ordered 3 bottles!! your a turd..
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    well you got me i ordered 3 bottles!! your a turd..
    Can you say 2 bottles of celtic mass + 2 bottles of trestobol = epic win because mine are being delivered tomorrow.

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    Check out super dmz 2.0 it delivers really well I'm on my first week and gaining strength and weight !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post

    Can you say 2 bottles of celtic mass + 2 bottles of trestobol = epic win because mine are being delivered tomorrow.
    Sounds interesting. What's ur game plan
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclefool View Post
    Check out super dmz 2.0 it delivers really well I'm on my first week and gaining strength and weight !
    I've seen this exact post on many other threads, yes I get it.... Super dmz is great lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    well you got me i ordered 3 bottles!! your a turd..
    Just doin' my job. I just ordered 2 bottles myself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    Can you say 2 bottles of celtic mass + 2 bottles of trestobol = epic win because mine are being delivered tomorrow.
    Yeah I think that win will be epic...

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