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    So my physiology teacher just talked about a non testable way of getting anabolic steroid effects without steroids. She said some Olympic athletes inject themselves with DNA in order to obtain bigger and stronger muscles. I tried googling it but came up with nothing. Have you guys heard of this? And if so.. How the heck do I get my hands on some of that?!

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    I inject myself with gorilla DNA preworkout. It gives me gorilla like strength with a 12-14 hour half life.

    Just kidding. I don't know know.
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    I feel like DNA doesn't really work like that....

    Seems ridiculous....
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    it does not. Unless there is new technology i am not yet aware of. U sure ur not thinking of gh or something like that?
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    I mean DNA replicates whatever is in its transcript but honestly I don't know. I thought it sounded a little funky to me and I feel like if they were able to do something like this everyone and their mother would be talking about it. Maybe she meant GH not DNA. Is GH testable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean321 View Post
    I mean DNA replicates whatever is in its transcript but honestly I don't know. I thought it sounded a little funky to me and I feel like if they were able to do something like this everyone and their mother would be talking about it. Maybe she meant GH not DNA. Is GH testable?
    She sounds extraordinarily uneducated on the topic.
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    She just ended class by talking about it briefly so there wasn't much of an elaboration other than her story of an Olympic sprinter did this to get bigger quads but the muscle mass and strength was so much it broke his leg
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    There are currently injectable nucleotide drugs on the market, but none that I know are PEDs. They're anti-cancer small molecules for the most part.

    Think your teacher is referring to genetic therapy of some sort, but as far as I'm aware, that is neither available nor able to do what she claims currently. I know there have been experimental procedures conducted on dogs and a few preliminary trials in isolated individuals in europe, but nothing like this...
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    Got ya. Well dang that would be sweet if they do figure something like that out. We could all look like Arnold with no side effects!
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    I got a DNA injection for your teachers mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean321 View Post
    She just ended class by talking about it briefly so there wasn't much of an elaboration other than her story of an Olympic sprinter did this to get bigger quads but the muscle mass and strength was so much it broke his leg
    Just thought I would tell you guys the bad news jay cutler just imploded he was doing dead lifts and his muscles contracted so hard that his entire body smashed in on itself. Sounds like your teacher has a MD in bro science.
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    Sounds like gene therapy the broscience version.

    There are methods of using dna manipulation to increase muscle mass in a way that make steroids look like tic tacs.



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    I wonder how much test is flowing through those animals though Like that bull must bust an 8 gallon load
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keepitreel View Post
    I wonder how much test is flowing through those animals though Like that bull must bust an 8 gallon load
    Not a single one of those is a testosterone abnormality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    Not a single one of those is a testosterone abnormality.
    is it the myostatin issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keepitreel View Post
    is it the myostatin issue?
    Yes
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    Re: DNA injections?


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    If we could change our DNA by injecting other DNA that would completely change things in the medical field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhns2 View Post
    If we could change our DNA by injecting other DNA that would completely change things in the medical field.

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    You can!!!!!! Unfortunately that injected DNA is in virus form, which we use but, but, but viruses are still not the most predictable little bastards.
    Shows promise but still we have a long way to go till we get to being able to screw too much with genes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    You can!!!!!! Unfortunately that injected DNA is in virus form, which we use but, but, but viruses are still not the most predictable little bastards.
    Shows promise but still we have a long way to go till we get to being able to screw too much with genes.
    Not to mention they like to mutate in unpredictable ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post
    Not to mention they like to mutate in unpredictable ways.
    X-Men maybe? We can dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    X-Men maybe? We can dream.
    Sign me up for either deadpool's or wolverine's healing factor. I would even take it at the cost of deadpools psychosis and appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    X-Men maybe? We can dream.
    Sure everyone thinks of the positive. This is also the premise for "I am Legend" and other zombie flicks
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    Hey gerbil where did you find all that info? I wouldn't mind reading more on it. Maybe even use it for an essay topic in class
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean321 View Post
    Hey gerbil where did you find all that info? I wouldn't mind reading more on it. Maybe even use it for an essay topic in class
    Viral infection as a means of genetic manipulation is a pretty standard technique in mol/cell bio. Pubmed has tons of reviews on it - just search adenoviral gene therapy review. There are other viruses used as well, but adenoviridae is as good a place as any to start.

    Those animals, however, were not originally constructed using viral infection, but through other means like micro-injection, targetted recombination or natural mutation.
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    Awesome thanks guys!
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    What if you could inject something that would increase the number of ribosomes and mRNA in the cell body, since they create protein more of those = more protein synthesis= more muscle, I hope that thats what test dose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keepitreel View Post
    What if you could inject something that would increase the number of ribosomes and mRNA in the cell body, since they create protein more of those = more protein synthesis= more muscle, I hope that thats what test dose
    Transcription and translation are regulated on numerous levels. Simply increasing ribosomes won't necessarily increase protein synthesis, let alone muscle protein synthesis, unless the appropriate intracellular signals are made.

    In any case, there are a few things that increase mitochondrial density, which results in increased ribosomal cell content. While still putative, this may actually be very beneficial, but more for energy expenditure and endurance/performance than hypertrophy from what I've read.
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    I haven't looked at the topic of gene therapy in a while, but last I heard, they are able to shut off the specific gene that controls myostatin production, but were unable to turn it back on.

    after rats, primates are the next stop, not sure if it's made it this far yet or not though. been a few years, so maybe?
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    The mighty mice are from the University of Pennsylvania by H. Lee Sweeney, chairman of the department of physiology, and Elisabeth Barton a professor.They are given gene therapy before birth or at 4 weeks old to produce increased levels of IGF-1. The research was done to reduce falls in the elderly and treat Muscular Dystrophy.
    The Nationwide Children’s Hospital, Columbus, Ohio got a grant in 2010 for “Follistatin Gene Therapy to Improve Quadriceps Muscle Strength” in volunteers with Becker muscular dystrophy and sporadic inclusion body myositis. There is more on follistatin gene therapy at endduchenne.org. Since then i've read so much broscience bull**** on follistatin. Just injecting follistatin peptide is completely different then injecting a modified virus carrying the follistatin gene right? or am i wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I haven't looked at the topic of gene therapy in a while, but last I heard, they are able to shut off the specific gene that controls myostatin production, but were unable to turn it back on.

    after rats, primates are the next stop, not sure if it's made it this far yet or not though. been a few years, so maybe?
    So it would be like not being able to turn off the hulk.

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