Here is my first cycle
- 12-10-2004, 04:55 PM
Here is my first cycle
Hello, i ve just finished my M1T cycle !
I will start soonish my first real gear, it will be something like :
week 1/2 M1T (20mg/w) (i will use legalon with M1T)
week 1/13 Cypio (500mg/w)
week 1/12 Deca (500mg/w)
week 3/13 HCG (2x250ui/w)
week 1/13 nolva (10mgED)
pct week 16/20 nolva (20mg ED)
Give me ur advice plz And what do u think about use proviron ?
Ups my stats : 175cm, 195lbs
- 12-10-2004, 05:07 PM
I would lower the deca to 400 or raise the test to 600. You should always have the test 100mg/wk higher to avoid getting shut down.
- 12-10-2004, 05:30 PM
For a first cycle, I would keep the test at 500mg's, then bump it up for future cycles. Personally, I'd drop the deca, but some like it with a first cycle. I just like to know how I react to what substance. Lozgod is right, if you keep the deca then lower the dosage to 400mg's.
Best of luck to you.
12-10-2004, 10:29 PM
Ok thx, i'm planning to do deca at 500 because i will have a BD vial who is 250mg/ml.
For HCG and Nolva is it good ? Same in PCT ?
And about the proviron, should i use it ?
12-10-2004, 11:06 PM
I always wonder if the people who say this have done a cycle with test + deca, with the deca higher than the test, then done a cycle with test + deca, with the test higher than the deca, and lost sex drive the first cycle, and not lost it the second... Or more likely, they just heard that somewhere and are repeating it.Originally Posted by lozgod
As far as getting "shut down" though, that's going to happen on any exogenous androgen. Loss of sex drive only happens to some people, on some types of androgens... Kind of like bloating.
12-10-2004, 11:21 PM
don't run hcg in pct i wouldn't run proviron in pct either if you have it you can throw it in the last few weeks of cycle
12-10-2004, 11:31 PM
I don't want to run HCG in PCT ! When i said "same in pct" it was meaning "pct is ok too?"
12-11-2004, 09:29 AM
a little high in the dosage maybe but looks good to me. swales hcg protical is a must and proviron on hand for any problems that don't pop up. good luck
12-11-2004, 11:46 AM
for your post cycle try starting around 60mg for the 1st week, 40mg for the 2nd, 20mg for the 3rd, then 10mg for the 4th. you should consider starting at a higher dosage rather than 20mg the whole 4 weeks through. taper down each week to avoid any nasty rebound. it wouldn't hurt to add some tribulus and/or zma throughout your post cycle either. good luck
12-11-2004, 11:51 AM
the start of HCG in week 3 and PCT in week 16 is ok ?
about proviron should i use it if i gain too much water and how much ?
12-11-2004, 12:34 PM
no need to run nolvadex throughout. save it for PCT, unless gyno signs show up. but at the test dosages listed gyno shouldnt be a problem anyway.
12-11-2004, 01:22 PM
no way i will take nolva throughout the cycle !!
12-11-2004, 01:25 PM
That dose of nolva usually won't stop gyno bro. You're just wasting money...
12-11-2004, 02:02 PM
12-11-2004, 05:18 PM
if you want to take an anti-e all cycle to prevent gyno then take l-dex. Atleast that will keepyour gains very dry while avoiding gyno simulataeously. Nolv. gets rid of some of the bloat, but not nearly as well as arimidex does.
12-12-2004, 01:56 AM
your saying that 10mg isn't efective? Not a flame but I don't think that right. 10mg should be plenty. If I am wrong here can you give me the info to back it (for my own edifacation here, I always sugest running nolvadex and HCG in a preventitive manner. If I am wrong I need to know)?Originally Posted by exnihilo
12-12-2004, 02:00 AM
Actually nolvadex is usaually better as it allows for more estrogen activity while still providing protection from gyno. ldex and esp letro are way to strong for most things (letro will flat dry me out) JM2COriginally Posted by captainbicept
12-12-2004, 10:59 AM
same here, letro is too damn strong IMO. haven't tried adex yet.Originally Posted by Skye
good luck with the cycle mickey, i agree with nolva usage, 10mg will probably be enough to stave off any symptoms, but you can always bump it up if you notice **** going south.
12-12-2004, 02:12 PM
I can't post clinical studies on this one but I can tell you that I have seen a moderate amount of anecdotal evidence from people within my circles who use gear and have tried to use nolvadex in a preventative manner with up to 20mg/day. One person started to develop gyno and it did not start to subside and go away until he started taking 60mg/day. On low doses of test I don't see this being an issue but my boy was hitting the gear decently hard. I tried 10mg/day while on Dbol and was still getting some puff, I had to bump the dosage up to 40mg/day to get any efficacy.Originally Posted by Skye
I think you're better off saving your nolva till you know you need it, then going all out.
12-13-2004, 06:33 AM
I will have extra nolva on hands in case i get some troubles no problem.
Last question, what will u do ?
12 weeks cypio500mg/10 weeks deca500mg
12 weeks cypio500mg/11 weeks deca400mg
I will have 3 British Dragon cypio 10ml@200mg/ml and 2 British Dragon deca 10ml@250mg/ml
For the cypio it will just be ok to run 12 weeks@500mg and the deca i first planned to do 400mg but with 250mg/ml it will be difficult to dose correctly so that s why i planned in a second time to up to 500mg, so now i can do 10 weeks at 500 mg with easy dosage, or 11 week at 400mg with hardly dosage but i will have in hand extra 400mg in the case or something goes wrong
What will u do plz ?!
12-13-2004, 10:43 AM
i like the second option better. most syringes have 10 tick marks in between each ml. so 250mg divided by 10 tick marks is 25mg per tick, so you could just draw up 0.8 ml's each time to get 400 per week.
12-13-2004, 08:42 PM
nice cycle... i also like option 2
even if it won't be able to stop gyno at a small doses but it would be beneficial for improving lipid profiles while on cycle ??
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