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    First Test Cutting Cycle help


    Hey guys,
    I've run 2 ph cycles in the past, but I've become really interested in running my first test e cycle in the spring. I'm planning it out, and I'm hoping you can fill in some of the blanks for me. Here's what I'm looking at...

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    Test E- 600mg per week (2 300mg pins per week)
    Adex- .5mg EOD


    Weeks 9-12
    Test E- 600mg per week (2 300mg pins per week)
    Adex- .5mg EOD
    Winny: 50mg EOD

    weeks 13-14

    nothing

    Weeks 15-18 (pct)

    Nolva- 40/40/20/20

    HCG- 500IU twice per week (1000 IU per week)



    So... hows this look overall? I've never taken any of these supps before (except Nolva), so I'm not positive about the dosages. Should I include some HCG during cycle to prevent testicular atrophy?
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    your dosages look ok, the hcg you would want to include during the cycle 500iu per week 250iu 2x week you can start it at week 3 by then the test will start kicking and shutting you down, some guys may say start at week 1, you can stop hcg at week 12 when you stop test. im not the hcg guru jus my 2 cents im still learning my self brotha
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgrant27 View Post
    your dosages look ok, the hcg you would want to include during the cycle 500iu per week 250iu 2x week you can start it at week 3 by then the test will start kicking and shutting you down, some guys may say start at week 1, you can stop hcg at week 12 when you stop test. im not the hcg guru jus my 2 cents im still learning my self brotha
    Oh okay. Thank you. I would think people would run hcg during those 2 weeks you stop test, to get your boys going strong, and possibly continue it through pct. sounds like a lot of hcg to me tho.

    I've also heard of people "pulsing" hcg throughout the cycle, to get the boys going again, without building a tolerance to the hcg. at least thats the way I understand it. Seems more cost effective that way. Maybe some other people can share their opinions...
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    your running your test way too high... there's absolutely no need for that... 350-500 is plenty... you should run winstrol 6 weeks... make sure to run a cycle assist alongside of it... start hcg week 7-12 at 500 ius week then blast it week 13-14 at 1000 ius week...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dylangemelli View Post
    your running your test way too high... there's absolutely no need for that... 350-500 is plenty... you should run winstrol 6 weeks... make sure to run a cycle assist alongside of it... start hcg week 7-12 at 500 ius week then blast it week 13-14 at 1000 ius week...
    Awesome info. Thanks man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dylangemelli View Post
    your running your test way too high... there's absolutely no need for that... 350-500 is plenty... you should run winstrol 6 weeks... make sure to run a cycle assist alongside of it... start hcg week 7-12 at 500 ius week then blast it week 13-14 at 1000 ius week...
    What's the idea behind blasting hcg? (Never read that, anywhere) And also I've read that 500+mgs of test is where it's at. Jw
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGT99 View Post
    What's the idea behind blasting hcg? (Never read that, anywhere) And also I've read that 500+mgs of test is where it's at. Jw

    its where its at if you want to get more shutdown and get the possibility of more sides... you can get amazing gains on 350-500 mg of test... blasting hcg makes the transition and recovery into pct MUCH EASIER...
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    Winny 6 weeks at 50mg min.
    Test not too high, a bit on the high end but depending on the lab could be underdosed.

    Blasting hcg is normally around 1000iu last week to get your testes hopefully back to full blown balls.
    Just note that your last hcg inject should be 3-4 days before starting pct because it will still mess with your natural hormone output.
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    i agree the test dosages arent to high 400 to 500 mgs a week is a good start if you read alot og guys have started there, my first cyle was test e 400 a wk had damn good results, ive never blasted hcg. so cant help there.
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    Okay thanks guys. And keep in mind this is for a cut. So is it possible to get super cut and build a little muscle at the same time? I would love that
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    Im in..... Planing a very similar run in march looking for the same results, lean gains cut at the end to 10% or so. Good luck.
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    Not knocking the OP, I'm just curious.

    If the goal is a cut, why would test be run that high?

    Everyone reacts differently, but test is a wet compound, and at that dosage, it doesn't seem the best choice for a cut?

    Plus the winstrol seems underdosed, IMO

    When I think cut cycle, I think low dose test, high dose tren or masteron, plus winstrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    Not knocking the OP, I'm just curious.

    If the goal is a cut, why would test be run that high?

    Everyone reacts differently, but test is a wet compound, and at that dosage, it doesn't seem the best choice for a cut?

    Plus the winstrol seems underdosed, IMO

    When I think cut cycle, I think low dose test, high dose tren or masteron, plus winstrol.
    Honestly, I don't know what dosage to use. Thats why i posted here before I started doing it all wrong. haha. I just googled it and saw some other posts where people were using similar ones. I just want to take enough to keep all my muscle from my bulk. I'd really like to do tren, but people say to do at least one test cycle before adding tren so you know which steroid is giving you side effects. So you would recommend about 300mg test per week? I'm planning to start cutting on April 11th, and cutting for 12 weeks to July 4th (then showing off my ripped body!).
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    This is actually my next cycle I will start it in late march. Only difference ill be doing test e first shot at 1000iu then at 500mg for 12weeks on week 10 start winstrol. ill bump hcg to 1000iu two times a week after the last test injection. Ill follow your log good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    Not knocking the OP, I'm just curious.

    If the goal is a cut, why would test be run that high?

    Everyone reacts differently, but test is a wet compound, and at that dosage, it doesn't seem the best choice for a cut?

    Plus the winstrol seems underdosed, IMO

    When I think cut cycle, I think low dose test, high dose tren or masteron, plus winstrol.

    my point exactly... i just got done running test prop 100 mg eod and mast prop 200 mg eod with anavar at 80 mg day... its a perfect cutting cycle...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dylangemelli View Post

    its where its at if you want to get more shutdown and get the possibility of more sides... you can get amazing gains on 350-500 mg of test... blasting hcg makes the transition and recovery into pct MUCH EASIER...
    Sounds great. Thanks for clearing me up. Never used AAS
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    This is the blurry as hell version but I will get a better version. This is part of a study that says more test injected lowering of fat mass, and an increasing of fat free mass. Now if you are talking oh this amount of test will make me look more bloated be my guest but saying you cant cut on more gear is silly.
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    i can't seem to see where i ever said you can't cut on that amount of test... its just NOT NECESSARY... it makes it more difficult... its not impossible and those words NEVER came from me... it just not optimal...
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    If you're getting super bloated on test no matter what ester while you're cutting you're doing it wrong. There's plenty of ways to keep the water retention low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dylangemelli View Post
    i can't seem to see where i ever said you can't cut on that amount of test... its just NOT NECESSARY... it makes it more difficult... its not impossible and those words NEVER came from me... it just not optimal...
    I am guessing our definitions crossed somewhere my idea of a cut the only thing of any concern is bf not weight.
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    yes there are plenty of ways to keep bloat low to non existant but some people just struggle with estro conversion and i have seen people not respond well to ai's either... you can get huge gains on test between 350-500... its not necessary to be dosing 600-750 mg of test... do what you will... its just not necessary...
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    Well what do you guys think about test cyp at 400mg per week? I've heard it can cause bloating issues.
    And if you've never used test before... is there any way to know if its really test in the vial? Is there a smell or taste or anything? Noob questions I know
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    Bloating, fat gain, cutting or bulking is all going to depend on your diet and how well you know your body. It's not gonna matter if your on Prop, E or C. I know guys who cut just as well on E as they do on prop. A shorter ester isnt going to make cutting any easier or harder. You may bloat a little more on E or C but that's pretty easily combatted. Fluctuating blood levels (mostly E2) are also going dictate your bloat and you can fluctuate just as easily on prop as you can E or C.

    Test E 500 a week for 12 weeks with adex if your worried about estrogen sides an Nolva 20/20/20/20 is a perfectly fine cycle to cut with. Good luck whatever you choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285
    Bloating, fat gain, cutting or bulking is all going to depend on your diet and how well you know your body. It's not gonna matter if your on Prop, E or C. I know guys who cut just as well on E as they do on prop. A shorter ester isnt going to make cutting any easier or harder. You may bloat a little more on E or C but that's pretty easily combatted. Fluctuating blood levels (mostly E2) are also going dictate your bloat and you can fluctuate just as easily on prop as you can E or C.

    Test E 500 a week for 12 weeks with adex if your worried about estrogen sides an Nolva 20/20/20/20 is a perfectly fine cycle to cut with. Good luck whatever you choose.
    Cool. thanks a lot. My source is out of test E, so I'm going with cyp for 12 weeks. And I'm plannig to take aromasin at 12.5mg EOD, think that's good. I know aromasin is strong, so I don't wanna kill my libido or anything. And should I take it through pct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    Cool. thanks a lot. My source is out of test E, so I'm going with cyp for 12 weeks. And I'm plannig to take aromasin at 12.5mg EOD, think that's good. I know aromasin is strong, so I don't wanna kill my libido or anything. And should I take it through pct?
    Aeromasin only has a 24 hour active life and actually is shorter In males. So it needs to be dosed ED not EOD and no don't take it during pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    I just want to take enough to keep all my muscle from my bulk.
    how much did you gain on it? your profile shows you as 6'3" and 177lbs. Basically if you get 250mg/ml testosterone which is what a majority of UGLs do, 300 is a pain to get to. but 1 1/2 ml ends up at 475, which is plenty. if you are splitting it in 2x a week, then you can instead shoot for 6/10 an ml each time and end up closer to 400. Its way better to start slow. Whether you can add muscle while losing fat is far more overall diet dependent. And if you are buying the winny anyhow, then i'd also add in 3 days of 50mg a day at week 5. Winny lowers SHBG, leaving you more free testosterone and that's about the point where your SHBG is likely to start going up
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL
    how much did you gain on it? your profile shows you as 6'3" and 177lbs. Basically if you get 250mg/ml testosterone which is what a majority of UGLs do, 300 is a pain to get to. but 1 1/2 ml ends up at 475, which is plenty. if you are splitting it in 2x a week, then you can instead shoot for 6/10 an ml each time and end up closer to 400. Its way better to start slow. Whether you can add muscle while losing fat is far more overall diet dependent. And if you are buying the winny anyhow, then i'd also add in 3 days of 50mg a day at week 5. Winny lowers SHBG, leaving you more free testosterone and that's about the point where your SHBG is likely to start going up
    Well I'm at 187 now. My source has test cyp at 200mg/ml. I was planning 2 mls per week. So you would suggest 8 weeks of winny? I was planning 6, but as long as it won't destroy my liver I'm good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    Well I'm at 187 now. My source has test cyp at 200mg/ml. I was planning 2 mls per week. So you would suggest 8 weeks of winny? I was planning 6, but as long as it won't destroy my liver I'm good.
    nope, just 3 days in a row there at week 4 or 5 or 2 weeks before you plan to start taking it daily. actually the dose could be quite low those 3 days, as low as 10mg will do the trick. you are talking oral winny right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    nope, just 3 days in a row there at week 4 or 5 or 2 weeks before you plan to start taking it daily. actually the dose could be quite low those 3 days, as low as 10mg will do the trick. you are talking oral winny right?
    Oh okay sweet. Yea, its oral winny. And I'm probably 13% bf right now, and I still want to bulk til I start cutting in april. So hopefully I can get to like 195 at 13 or 14% bf, then cut to like 6% or less. We'll see
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    Thanks a lot guys. I'm starting to piece this all together. So here's my updated plan...

    Weeks 1-6

    Test cyp: 400mg/ week (2 200mg pins)
    Aromasin: 6.25mg/ day
    HCG: 500iu per week starting upon shrinkage (2 250iu pins)
    Winstrol: 10mg 3 consecutive days (weeks 5 and 6 only)

    Weeks 7-12

    Test cyp: 400mg/ week (2 200mg pins)
    Aromasin: 6.25mg/ day
    HCG: 500 per week
    Winstrol: 50mg EOD
    Cycle assist: 4-8 caps per day

    Weeks 13-14
    HCG: 1000iu per week
    Cycle assist: 4 caps per day

    Should I include aromasin these weeks?

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    Clomid: 100/100/50/50
    HCG: 1000iu per week
    Probably DAA and erase as well

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    Not hatin OP but either ur in a wheel chair and have no legs or something becuase at ur height to have run one cycle and be 187 thts a lil sad makes me worry about how well ur next cycle is gonna go in your regards to training and diet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borispili
    Not hatin OP but either ur in a wheel chair and have no legs or something becuase at ur height to have run one cycle and be 187 thts a lil sad makes me worry about how well ur next cycle is gonna go in your regards to training and diet
    Well... sounds like hatin to me. I haven't taken test before, only 2 ph cycles (1 was a cut). I was a really late bloomer, and a hard gainer, and was 6'3", 135lbs in college. I started working at a gym, lifting 5 days a week, and eating a lot. I've put on 50+ lbs of muscle in a couple of years, and I think that's pretty good. Sorry if we aren't all as genetically gifted as you man
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345

    Well... sounds like hatin to me. I haven't taken test before, only 2 ph cycles (1 was a cut). I was a really late bloomer, and a hard gainer, and was 6'3", 135lbs in college. I started working at a gym, lifting 5 days a week, and eating a lot. I've put on 50+ lbs of muscle in a couple of years, and I think that's pretty good. Sorry if we aren't all as genetically gifted as you man
    50+ lbs of muscle in 2-3 years sounds like test!!!!
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    Never understood why a wet compound or bloat matters one bit when cutting save the mental aspect of thinking you don't look dry and hard so you must not be losing fat. Test is great on a cut especially if you are doing cardio where substances like Masteron or Tren can make that next to impossible due to sucking wind or painful pumps. I concur with the lower dose as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borispili

    50+ lbs of muscle in 2-3 years sounds like test!!!!
    Well thank you I guess, cause no test before
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr
    Never understood why a wet compound or bloat matters one bit when cutting save the mental aspect of thinking you don't look dry and hard so you must not be losing fat. Test is great on a cut especially if you are doing cardio where substances like Masteron or Tren can make that next to impossible due to sucking wind or painful pumps. I concur with the lower dose as well.
    Okay. Well do u think I'll look bloated after 12 weeks? Obviously I'll still be way lower on BF%, but do u think the bloat will be significant? Never used test before, so I don't know what to expect. And obviously I want to look my best when I'm done
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    First Test Cutting Cycle help


    Like you were told before I believe, the bloat and bf at the end is going to be very diet dependent. Everyone responds differently but the aromasin should keep your on-cycle bloat to a min.
    Just curious, not sure if you mentioned it, what's your diet going to look like, macro-wise?
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