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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason559 View Post
    Hey pistol what brand of hcg do u use and where do u get it. First week of 500mg of test down and will pin later before my w.o. all the deep cuts and vascalarity I had are already leaving because of water. Sooooooo pissed 500$ for anavar gone!!! But I broke my bench Plato finally at 4 plates
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny

    Yo, no asking for brands or sources and no source posting. You'll get banned
    Srrrrrry, otc hcg good enough?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason559 View Post

    Srrrrrry, otc hcg good enough?????
    Hcgenerate is not hcg. When will people get this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason559
    Hey pistol what brand of hcg do u use and where do u get it. First week of 500mg of test down and will pin later before my w.o. all the deep cuts and vascalarity I had are already leaving because of water. Sooooooo pissed 500$ for anavar gone!!! But I broke my bench Plato finally at 4 plates
    I just get it from the source where I get test. It looks pretty sketchy actually... its all in chinese or somethin. But it definitely worked.
    4 plates on each side? That's sick man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason559 View Post

    Srrrrrry, otc hcg good enough?????
    Anything OTC is fine to talk about but hcg is not otc
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    So I'm on my final week of cutting. I'm gonna start water and carb manipulation tomorrow in preparation for Friday. Here's what I'm looking at...


    Low carbs and high water intake for 4 or 5 days before Friday. Cut out all water 1 day before the "show".

    need to fill the liver before optimally loading the muscles, and the carbs in the bloostream will make you vascular.

    If someone has a lean body mass of 166lbs the optimal amount of carbs would be around 700g.

    One could be simple about this and simply consume that 700g of carbs throughout the loading period.

    If one wants to be really anal about it, it could look something like this:

    125g of fructose (fruits) at the very beginning of the carb-up period to fill liver glycogen right away.

    545g of starchy carbs (potatoes and sweet potatoes being ideal as they are less allergenic than rice, oatmeal, pasta,bread, etc. and will cause less water retention), 500 of those are consumed over the main loading day, roughly 80g for 6 meals.

    45g of starchy carbs and 30g of simple sugar are consumed the breakfast of the show or photo shoot.

    Keep 30-50g worth of simple sugar handy for backstage if you are flat and are having problems carbing up.


    I found that on some site somewhere. Looks good, and can't wait to try it out
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    Just fell waaay off my no carb diet. Did great yesterday, but the cravings were too much for me today. 8 cookies, 2 brownies, and a glass of milk. I feel guilty, but oh so satisfied...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    Just fell waaay off my no carb diet. Did great yesterday, but the cravings were too much for me today. 8 cookies, 2 brownies, and a glass of milk. I feel guilty, but oh so satisfied...
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    Skipped the gym today as well. Eh...

    But I'm already brainstorming my next cut cycle. I really want some stupid libido, so maybe prop and masteron? And I wouldn't even need an AI since the masteron has similar qualities, right?

    And I keep reading tren logs, but I know that's not recommended for a 2nd cycle.

    Overall I've loved my results, and there's been a few things I never mentioned...

    My beard has been growing in way more and darker than ever before. I've always been a complete baby face (and still am really) but there is no question I've had more facial hair progress these last couple months than the last 2 years combined.

    Libido was pretty ****ty through the whole cycle. Don't really know what's up with that. Maybe I'll get a boost PCT with the supps I'm taking.

    Adding in triazole and endosurge turbo with my DAA and clomid PCT. Also bought some cialis just in case I'm having trouble down there. But if all is well... I'm gonna be stupid hard. Haha
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    I enjoyed reading your log man! That's strange your libido wasn't insane high (perhaps higher test next go around) also as long as you have your prolactin ancillaries you should be good to go for tren etc... How is Endosurge turbo?
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    Or I just thought of perhaps your estro was crushed and you had no idea?? Also because of masteron (referring to your next cycle) I'd say you'll be good to go on not using an AI but to still keep one on hand JIC homie
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    OP what are your goals? I didn't see it throughout your log. Maybe I missed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGT99
    Or I just thought of perhaps your estro was crushed and you had no idea?? Also because of masteron (referring to your next cycle) I'd say you'll be good to go on not using an AI but to still keep one on hand JIC homie
    That's quite possible. It wasn't low enough to cause dry joints tho until I added lean xtreme (which causes sore joints from low cortisol). And id definitely keep an AI on hand no matter what.

    And I've never tried endosurge pro. Actually never even heard of it before some dude on here offered me some. I did a quick google search and people were raving about it (especially for libido). That, triazole, and daa all work to boost test by different methods so I'm hoping for a great synergistic effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25
    OP what are your goals? I didn't see it throughout your log. Maybe I missed it.
    I thought I posted them somewhere in here. I just wanted to do an all out cut. I'm no expert with the calipers, but I wanted to go from 15%bf that I started at to sub 7% while maintaining muscle. According to my measurements I went from 15 to 6! Even if those numbers aren't exact, I lost a ton of fat. Abs look great.

    And I lost all that fat and only lost like 2lbs of bodyweight, so I must have added a good amount of muscle. I did way better than I expected honestly. Definitely slacked on my diet this last week or so
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    I thought I posted them somewhere in here. I just wanted to do an all out cut. I'm no expert with the calipers, but I wanted to go from 15%bf that I started at to sub 7% while maintaining muscle. According to my measurements I went from 15 to 6! Even if those numbers aren't exact, I lost a ton of fat. Abs look great.

    And I lost all that fat and only lost like 2lbs of bodyweight, so I must have added a good amount of muscle. I did way better than I expected honestly. Definitely slacked on my diet this last week or so


    From your pics you're def not 6%. What is your weight now? Congrats on your progress, but at 6'3 and 185lbs instead of a cut why not bulk? And I saw that you said you put on 50+ lbs of muscle, but I'm sorry to say from your pics that that's not even close to being true.

    I'm not here to flame you or talk sht, but I'm 6'2 205lbs and I walk around naturally at 10-11%bf and I wouldn't consider a cut until I put on another 25 lbs at least. So I guess my question is what made you decide on a cut?
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    Maybe a better question would be why did you us AAS to get "cut" when you were already skinny or lean or whatever? A change in your diet would have had the same results I'd imagine without shutting your system down.

    But then again maybe not.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25

    From your pics you're def not 6%. What is your weight now? Congrats on your progress, but at 6'3 and 185lbs instead of a cut why not bulk? And I saw that you said you put on 50+ lbs of muscle, but I'm sorry to say from your pics that that's not even close to being true.

    I'm not here to flame you or talk sht, but I'm 6'2 205lbs and I walk around naturally at 10-11%bf and I wouldn't consider a cut until I put on another 25 lbs at least. So I guess my question is what made you decide on a cut?
    Well everybody has a body that they want... I don't want to be a huge bulky guy. I live at the beach and play basketball, so I wanted to have a nice set of abs and at least a little chest and arms.

    Yea, I didn't think I was at 6% honestly, but I'm willing to believe I'm 8ish. And I've grown about 1-2 inches since I was 135lbs, but I'm even leaner than then, and I weighh 185 now. Definitely not fat, so idk. You just don't realize the kind of walking skeleton I used to be. Haha. So id say that's VERY close to being true...

    So all in all, I want to look how I want... to each his own. When I've cut natural in the past, I've dumped hard earned muscle, so I was afraid to do that again. And I basically did a spring recomp while attempting to just cut
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    Well everybody has a body that they want... I don't want to be a huge bulky guy. I live at the beach and play basketball, so I wanted to have a nice set of abs and at least a little chest and arms.

    Yea, I didn't think I was at 6% honestly, but I'm willing to believe I'm 8ish. And I've grown about 1-2 inches since I was 135lbs, but I'm even leaner than then, and I weighh 185 now. Definitely not fat, so idk. You just don't realize the kind of walking skeleton I used to be. Haha. So id say that's VERY close to being true...

    So all in all, I want to look how I want... to each his own. When I've cut natural in the past, I've dumped hard earned muscle, so I was afraid to do that again. And I basically did a spring recomp while attempting to just cut


    Cool congrats on your progress
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    Thanks for all the support guys.

    More update pics. I'm living it up while I still can. Been on a cookies and milk kick for a couple days...

    I think my favorite part of my results is having constant veins in my arms. Biceps and forearms always have bulging veins at work. Feel like a beast. Haha



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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    Thanks for all the support guys.

    More update pics. I'm living it up while I still can. Been on a cookies and milk kick for a couple days...

    I think my favorite part of my results is having constant veins in my arms. Biceps and forearms always have bulging veins at work. Feel like a beast. Haha

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=83 082"/>

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    Weighed in today... 182.4. That's the lowest I've weighed in like 4-5 months. Possibly from the test bloat going away?

    My triazole and endosurge turbo arrived today. I've already run daa and triazole before and really liked them (especially triazole). Id like to run two of the three and save one for later, but being that I'm damn near falling for this girl I just met... I don't want any libido issues in PCT. I'm gonna stack the hell out of these and see what happens.

    I'm also debating how to set up my diet... id really like to keep what I've got... but I doubt that's what's gonna happen.

    I'm thinking about lean bulking with some more calories and keeping cardio pretty high. I would like to keep my new muscle and stay pretty damn lean.

    Considering changing my rep ranges as well. I think reducing reps a bit and going a little heavier would make it easier to keep muscle. Thoughts?

    Prolly overthinking this, but that's how I got this far...
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    Okay thanks guys. And keep in mind this is for a cut. So is it possible to get super cut and build a little muscle at the same time? I would love that
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    Quote Originally Posted by majjad
    Okay thanks guys. And keep in mind this is for a cut. So is it possible to get super cut and build a little muscle at the same time? I would love that
    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345
    Okay thanks guys. And keep in mind this is for a cut. So is it possible to get super cut and build a little muscle at the same time? I would love that
    I already posted this... wtf are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    I already posted this... wtf are you taking about?
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    Weird update:

    I really think my libido has been better this last week than during my whole cycle. I think the helladrol might have been messing me up. Idk.
    Didn't want to bring it up... but I was actually having trouble keeping an erection for the last few weeks. Porn didn't even do it for me. I just didn't seem to be mentally or physically stimulated.
    Could have something to do with this girl I met (whom I haven't slept with... YET), but could be any of the million supps I've been taking. I've had some of the hardest erections of my life this week. Either way, I'm happy. Hoping to maintain this during pct
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    Weird update:

    I really think my libido has been better this last week than during my whole cycle. I think the helladrol might have been messing me up. Idk.
    Didn't want to bring it up... but I was actually having trouble keeping an erection for the last few weeks. Porn didn't even do it for me. I just didn't seem to be mentally or physically stimulated.
    Could have something to do with this girl I met (whom I haven't slept with... YET), but could be any of the million supps I've been taking. I've had some of the hardest erections of my life this week. Either way, I'm happy. Hoping to maintain this during pct
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    Lord knows I want to. She's out of town for the weekend
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    Weighed in at 180.2 this morning. That's the lowest in a long time. Hope its not muscle loss

    Hit the gym hard today. Was feeling really tired, but I forced myself to go and I'm glad I did.

    Legs... its what's for dinner

    Squats: 275 x 8 (possibly a pr), 7, 6

    Leg press machine (not actual leg press): 350 x 10, 8, 8

    Romanian deadlifts: 135 x 12, 155 x 10, 155 x 10

    Leg extensions: 130 x 11, 9, 8 (drop set with 90 til failure)

    Good workout today

    Now its party time!
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    Hey man jw what type of Hdrol did you run?
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    Mr supps helladrol. Its a huge bottle. 2 full 6 week cycles at 75mg per day. Good ****
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    Right on dude. Thanks. Still debating between oral winny or hdrol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGT99 View Post
    Right on dude. Thanks. Still debating between oral winny or hdrol
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    I almost went with winny, but its really liver toxic so I just went with hella
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    I almost went with winny, but its really liver toxic so I just went with hella
    Hdrol is just as bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post

    Hdrol is just as bad

    Just as bad and less results in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post

    Just as bad and less results in my opinion.
    Yes and no, hdrol is def better on a bulk. But recomp or cut is Winny all the way. Plus strength and hardening are far better
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post

    Yes and no, hdrol is def better on a bulk. But recomp or cut is Winny all the way. Plus strength and hardening are far better

    I was speaking for his goals specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    I was speaking for his goals specifically.
    that was probably a good idea, one I should have considered. lol. sometimes I forget when i'm in someone else's thread
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    Well thanks for the info guys. I'll prolly try winny next time then.

    A little update...

    Started PCT Monday. Feeling pretty good so far, but a combination of working out and working in the heat all day has left me feeling pretty tired. I've skipped the gym quite a few times lately, but I feel like I've needed it.

    Diet has been okay. Still eating a clean breakfast, minimal damage at lunch, maybe a snack after work, and a solid dinner. Not too shabby.

    I've been popping pills all damn day. Clomid at 100mg/day, lean xtreme at 3/day, daa at 4 caps/day, endosurge turbo at 6 caps/day, and triazole at 3 caps/ day.

    Had a few random ass boners lately so that's a good sign. Popped a hard one on the way to work with my boys yesterday, didn't get out of the car to get a drink like I do every day... said I wasn't thirsty but I was. Haha
  

  
 

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