Gyno research/ Can androgens help gyno
- 01-16-2013, 06:52 PM
Gyno research/ Can androgens help gyno
ANDRO FACTORY's Gyno research
Can Androgen's in the body reverse Gyno? You decide.
During the research in making BULK-UP we located this article from Life Sciences regarding gyno and prohormone use. Research suggest that Androgens like the ones found in BULK-UP can actually reverse Gyno. Now we know that it would walking a tight rope to make any such claims being that we are not a pharmaceutical company and not branded as a 'New Drug".
BULK-UP like most ANDRO FACTORY products is DHEA based which was grandfathered in and not included in the anabolic steroid act therefor making it legal to sell as a dietary supplement and not a "New Drug". As long as you don't make claims that make disease, curing, preventing or reversing statements. Which we would never do!
But we can share articles and information that we come across while researching the Natural Prohormones found in our products; YOU might find this interesting.....
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Here is one example of androgens helping with gyno. BULK-UP is an androgen based prohormone
Here is the source of the article
Life Sciences 69 (2001) 1465–1469
Measurement of androgen and estrogen receptors
in breast tissue from subjects with anabolic
L. Calzada*, J. Torres-Calleja, JM. Martinez, N. Pedrón
Unidad de Investigación Médica en Medicina Reproductiva, Instituto Mexicano del Seguro Social,
Apartado Postal 20-645, México D.F. C.P. 01001
Received 5 July 2000; accepted 22 January 2001
Changes in endogenous hormone levels due to the administration of anabolic steroids have
been reported to cause gynecomastia. Exogenous steroid exposure may compete with en-
dogenous steroids for intracellular receptors causing breast enlargement . These observa-
tions support the hypothesis that a hormonal environment may provide a setting favourable
for mammary glands to develop gynecomastia.
The results obtained suggest that in bodybuilders with gynecomastia, the hormonal status
is characterized by a clearly persistent estrogenic stimulation derived from the aromatization
of testosterone by a local increase in aromatase activity, which is probably induced by the
prolonged administration of anabolic steroids .
This study showed that the major concentration of ER is localized in the cytosol and nu-
cleus, possibly due to an increased estradiol level, which is a basic requisite for the hormone
response. Whereas the major concentration of AR is localized in the cytosol, the diminished
AR levels in the nucleus may be explained by the presence of salt-resistant receptors that
probably remain bound to the nuclear matrix.
Our data agree with previous studies demonstrating that the administration of anabolic ste-
roids caused a decrease in serum gonadotrophin and testosterone levels .
Finally, our ﬁndings suggest the following: ﬁrst, that anabolic steroid administration for
prolonged periods may cause an excess of circulating estrogens, perhaps through the conver-
sion of testosterone to estrogens; second, a predominant estrogen effect on the breast may
produce breast enlargement; and third, the presence of estradiol and androgen receptors in
gynecomastia tissue suggests that gynecomastia is a hormone-dependent event.
"Here is one example of androgen's helping with gyno. BULK-UP is an androgen based prohormone” please visit our website for more information
- 01-16-2013, 11:19 PM
hmmm pretty interesting.def has some promise
- 01-17-2013, 09:29 AM
01-17-2013, 09:34 AM
01-17-2013, 12:09 PM
The title of the study is "Measurement of androgen and estrogen receptors in breast tissue from subjects with anabolic steroid-dependent gynecomastia"…yet the before/after photos look nothing like an individual who has used AAS and suffers from AAS induced gyno. Not trying to flame, just looking for clarification here. Was this study conducted on an individual who had early on-set of gyno or had the lumps been there for months or even years? Being an individual who has had AAS induced gyno for over 6 years, I’ve done a lot of research and reading of the boards. From what I’ve read and experimented with, long term ( i.e. past early development) gyno cannot be reduced with Letro, Nolva, Ralox, etc…surgery is the only way. I even ran letro on 2 different occasions following the reversal protocol that is plastered over all the boards and had no luck… in both cases the lump def reduced in size during treatment, however after discontinuing use, the lump returned back to its original size. If DHEA/DHT does in fact provide relief for long term gyno…I know I’d be jumping on a bottle or two. Beats the hell out of 3-5k for surgical removal.
01-17-2013, 11:40 PM
01-17-2013, 11:45 PM
Right on. Thanks for the info AF. Ill def look further into your line.
01-18-2013, 12:13 AM
Pro hormone that clears gyno. Ill believe it when I see it
01-18-2013, 06:19 AM
Same claims made with Epi/ havoc. Never did anything for me from a gyno standpoint.
I have heard dht has anti estrogenic properties as well. Now having enough to reverse gyno is a whole different story
01-18-2013, 08:20 AM
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01-18-2013, 09:49 AM
Re: Gyno research/ Can androgens help gyno
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01-18-2013, 09:49 AM
What is the point of all this ...... ****. Every post you’ve made on here contains.... after it. It’s like you’re waiting to finish a sentence or something. In regards to this thread, unless you have something educationally sound to contribute to the DHT/DHEA gyno reduction discussion, your posts are irrelevant.
01-18-2013, 11:10 AM
Havoc gave me gynoOriginally Posted by IRON4LIFE
01-18-2013, 11:16 AM
Certainly possible anytime you start manipulating your T:E ratio.
01-18-2013, 06:39 PM
as far as the study goes, (and im not doubting the science as i know first hand the value of DHT) but the breast tissue in these pictures looks unchanged to me. in the post-therapy picture, the subject has clearly gained weight and it makes his tits look less like tits. from the areola up, the breast looks unchanged imo. the bottom of the breast is hidden by the kid's new gut. not trying to hate, just my observations.
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01-18-2013, 06:56 PM
Why do the pictures say Tom Davis on the bottom?
01-18-2013, 07:23 PM
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01-19-2013, 11:38 AM
What is the exact DHEA amounts in the product? I see 2 different amounts of hormones here -->
01-19-2013, 05:24 PM
01-25-2013, 06:32 PM
Havoc gave me gyno
Estrogen... What about Gyno?
All men have estrogen in their body. Outside studies show gyno has almost nothing to do with high estrogen. (17-22) In fact, this research shows that the most important indicator for gyno is the ratio of androgens to estrogens. (17-22) For example, if you have low estrogen, but even lower androgens, you are at a higher risk for gyno than
someone who has high estrogens, with even higher androgens. Its all about the ratio.
BULK-UP’s Advanced DHEA Complex includes 4-DHEA with androsterone and epiandrosterone at a precise ratio to balance the androgenic and estrogenic activity for the lowest risk of gyno -- BULK-UP testers have reported to show no signs of gyno symptoms in 4, 6 and 8 week cycles.
If you already have gyno, and are extremely sensitive to irritation, then you may be safer with BULK-UP -- due to its stronger androgenic action.
01-25-2013, 06:33 PM
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01-30-2013, 05:49 AM
How does bulk-up compare with Stano? Stano is dht based as well
01-30-2013, 01:35 PM
02-01-2013, 07:44 PM
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02-06-2013, 01:54 PM
Good stuff. I've been using DHT compounds for gyno prevention on cycle for the past couple years now.
02-06-2013, 02:18 PM
02-06-2013, 02:22 PM
There was of course increased aggression, body temp, and vascularity.
But my favorite thing was how well it reversed gyno that was caused early on in the cycle. I had painful lumps between pea and dime size under each nip and within four weeks after starting DHT treatment the lumps were completely gone and I had a harder appearance to my muscles
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