Cycle Check

[phoenix21]

I believe I'm ready to try my first PH cycle but just wanted to make sure everything looks good. I am trying to be as safe as possible as I had some idiot friends in high school that fooled around with PHs and now have permanent damage. I'm not looking for any lectures and I've done my fair share of research. I'm mainly looking for a boost to bulk because I've spent the past few months drastically cutting, and am now trying to make some dry gains. Any words of wisdom or pointers would be appreciated, thanks!

Age: 21 (almost 22)
Experience: 5 years
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190 lbs

I am planning on purchasing RPN Havoc, CEL CycleAssist (for pre/during), and for PCT Liquid Tamoxifen (Nolvadex)

Week 1: CEL CycleAssist pre-load
Week 2: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 10 mg
Week 3: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 20 mg
Week 4: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 30 mg
Week 5: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 30 mg
Week 6: Nolva 40 mg
Week 7: Nolva 40 mg
Week 8: Nolva 20 mg
Week 9: Nolva 20 mg

Daily: Multivitamin, Fish Oils, BCAA's, Creatine


Questions: Would it be better to start the Nolva in Week 5?
Would a pre-workout like MusclePharm Assault be okay to use with this mix?
Should I use the CEL CycleAssist during Weeks 6-9 as well (PCT stage)

Thanks again for any help!

[phoenix21]

Come on guys you were all beginners once, help me out

[liftandeat]

I believe I'm ready to try my first PH cycle but just wanted to make sure everything looks good. I am trying to be as safe as possible as I had some idiot friends in high school that fooled around with PHs and now have permanent damage. I'm not looking for any lectures and I've done my fair share of research. I'm mainly looking for a boost to bulk because I've spent the past few months drastically cutting, and am now trying to make some dry gains. Any words of wisdom or pointers would be appreciated, thanks!

Age: 21 (almost 22)
Experience: 5 years
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190 lbs

I am planning on purchasing RPN Havoc, CEL CycleAssist (for pre/during), and for PCT Liquid Tamoxifen (Nolvadex)

Week 1: CEL CycleAssist pre-load
Week 2: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 10 mg
Week 3: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 20 mg
Week 4: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 30 mg
Week 5: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 30 mg
Week 6: Nolva 40 mg
Week 7: Nolva 40 mg
Week 8: Nolva 20 mg
Week 9: Nolva 20 mg

Daily: Multivitamin, Fish Oils, BCAA's, Creatine

Questions: Would it be better to start the Nolva in Week 5?
Would a pre-workout like MusclePharm Assault be okay to use with this mix?
Should I use the CEL CycleAssist during Weeks 6-9 as well (PCT stage)

Thanks again for any help!

Havoc at 10 mg is useless. Start at 20 mg so 20/30/40/40. Get a test booster for pct. pre wo is fine. And ya if you want to use cycle assist during pct go ahead. Nolva at 40 mg is kinda high but it's fine. I would do 40 for the first week then 30 then 20 for a few weeks.

[OnionKnight]

claiming 5 years experience at 21 is horse crapper. thats like me saying ive been driving since i was 7 because my parents got me a tonka truck

anyways, go 6 weeks not 4. preload hawthore berry 2 weeks. add an ai and test booster to pct. id dose nolva 20/20/10/10 but watever floats your boat. ad start day after lat havoc dose

[liftandeat]

I believe I'm ready to try my first PH cycle but just wanted to make sure everything looks good. I am trying to be as safe as possible as I had some idiot friends in high school that fooled around with PHs and now have permanent damage. I'm not looking for any lectures and I've done my fair share of research. I'm mainly looking for a boost to bulk because I've spent the past few months drastically cutting, and am now trying to make some dry gains. Any words of wisdom or pointers would be appreciated, thanks!

Age: 21 (almost 22)
Experience: 5 years
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190 lbs

I am planning on purchasing RPN Havoc, CEL CycleAssist (for pre/during), and for PCT Liquid Tamoxifen (Nolvadex)

Week 1: CEL CycleAssist pre-load
Week 2: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 10 mg
Week 3: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 20 mg
Week 4: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 30 mg
Week 5: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 30 mg
Week 6: Nolva 40 mg
Week 7: Nolva 40 mg
Week 8: Nolva 20 mg
Week 9: Nolva 20 mg

Daily: Multivitamin, Fish Oils, BCAA's, Creatine

Questions: Would it be better to start the Nolva in Week 5?
Would a pre-workout like MusclePharm Assault be okay to use with this mix?
Should I use the CEL CycleAssist during Weeks 6-9 as well (PCT stage)

Thanks again for any help!

Oh and save the creatine for pct

[phoenix21]

Havoc at 10 mg is useless. Start at 20 mg so 20/30/40/40. Get a test booster for pct. pre wo is fine. And ya if you want to use cycle assist during pct go ahead. Nolva at 40 mg is kinda high but it's fine. I would do 40 for the first week then 30 then 20 for a few weeks.

Any specific test booster you'd recommend for this cycle? And could you elaborate on why I don't want to use creatine during the cycle?

[phoenix21]

claiming 5 years experience at 21 is horse crapper. thats like me saying ive been driving since i was 7 because my parents got me a tonka truck

anyways, go 6 weeks not 4. preload hawthore berry 2 weeks. add an ai and test booster to pct. id dose nolva 20/20/10/10 but watever floats your boat. ad start day after lat havoc dose

It's not horse crapper when I play D1 college lacrosse and have been training for it with professionals since I was being scouted at age 16, but thanks for being so condescending.

[amiller745]

Epi:
40/40/40/40/40/40

Pct:
Nolva 20/20/10/10
D aspartic acid: 3/3/3/3

[iparatroop]

It's not horse crapper when I play D1 college lacrosse and have been training for it with professionals since I was being scouted at age 16, but thanks for being so condescending.

Epi is hard to run on, in my experience. Shin cramps got pretty bad for me. I ran it with another compound though. Just food for thought since you play lacrosse.

[liftandeat]

Any specific test booster you'd recommend for this cycle? And could you elaborate on why I don't want to use creatine during the cycle?

U can't lose with anabeta. And if u can afford it throw in erase also. Save the creatine for pct because you are using a steroid so u don't need anything from the creatine. If u add the creatine in during pct it will be easier to keep your gains. Pct is the most crucial part of the cycle adding creatine during pct will give your body another reason to keep all the gains you made.

[beastmode1987]

I believe I'm ready to try my first PH cycle but just wanted to make sure everything looks good. I am trying to be as safe as possible as I had some idiot friends in high school that fooled around with PHs and now have permanent damage. I'm not looking for any lectures and I've done my fair share of research. I'm mainly looking for a boost to bulk because I've spent the past few months drastically cutting, and am now trying to make some dry gains. Any words of wisdom or pointers would be appreciated, thanks!

Age: 21 (almost 22)
Experience: 5 years
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190 lbs

I am planning on purchasing RPN Havoc, CEL CycleAssist (for pre/during), and for PCT Liquid Tamoxifen (Nolvadex)

Week 1: CEL CycleAssist pre-load
Week 2: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 10 mg
Week 3: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 20 mg
Week 4: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 30 mg
Week 5: CEL CycleAssist, Havoc 30 mg
Week 6: Nolva 40 mg
Week 7: Nolva 40 mg
Week 8: Nolva 20 mg
Week 9: Nolva 20 mg

Daily: Multivitamin, Fish Oils, BCAA's, Creatine


Questions: Would it be better to start the Nolva in Week 5?
Would a pre-workout like MusclePharm Assault be okay to use with this mix?
Should I use the CEL CycleAssist during Weeks 6-9 as well (PCT stage)

Thanks again for any help!

For PCT
nolva 20 / 20 / 10 / 10
DAA 3/3/3/3
erase 0/0/3/3/2/1

[phoenix21]

Epi is hard to run on, in my experience. Shin cramps got pretty bad for me. I ran it with another compound though. Just food for thought since you play lacrosse.

Good looking out, thanks

[phoenix21]

Is running Nolva + DAA + Erase + another Test booster for PCT completely necessary? Seems like a lot of test boosters mixed together, am a little confused because of the different replies. Safety is my main priority but that seems overly expensive

[iparatroop]

I ran epi w/"tren" before it was banned. PCT was clomid and a T booster that came with the stuff. Pretty sure it was just trib. Had bloods done 2 weeks post-PCT and had no issues. I think a lot of recommendations are based on the adage "better to err on the side of caution". I don't disagree with the theory, but I don't always live by it. Take that as you wish.

[amiller745]

Is running Nolva + DAA + Erase + another Test booster for PCT completely necessary? Seems like a lot of test boosters mixed together, am a little confused because of the different replies. Safety is my main priority but that seems overly expensive

Don't be cheap run a good cycle.

[beastmode1987]

Is running Nolva + DAA + Erase + another Test booster for PCT completely necessary? Seems like a lot of test boosters mixed together, am a little confused because of the different replies. Safety is my main priority but that seems overly expensive

pct is most important part . i spent about 100 - 120 on pct so its not bad . doing a hdrol cycle now . i have nolva / daa / erase for pct . along with cycle support and the usual multi vitamins fish oils