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    I need help with gyno flare up...


    Have had gyno in the past (very minor). I am 4 weeks in to a test e 500 mg a week cycle (12 weeks) and anavar 75 mgs a day. The gyno flared back up in my left nipple. I think its worse then it was previously. Like more estro was added. I take the full dosage of forma stanzol right now. Since i have been when i felt it it hasnt gotten worse. I dont want it to become permanent but i want to finish my cycle.

    My question is what can i do to ensure i can reverse it? Should i cut the cycle short? Im not sure what to do since i have so long left on my cycle.


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    Take aromasin at 12.5mg ED to keep your estro sides at bay.

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    Im already taking forma as my ai and ive taken it in the past to prevent gyno and has worked fine. Its keeping the estro at bay.

    I have it but its fresh. Its wierd cause it doesnt look like my nipple has gyno in it. Should i cut the cycle short? And just start my pct? Or can i continue with the ai?

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    LETRO lol look up articles on using letro to reduce gyno

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    I have looked up letro i also know what it does. Can i use letro on cycle?

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    Drop the topical. Formastanzol is junk, compareably to; formeron and formasurge.

    Get aromasin, 25mg eod until your sensitivity/pain subsides then lower it to 12.5mg eod.

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    Actually better to run on cycle, might hault your gains a little and will dry you out a lot also, but your sex drive wont be in the dump as opposed to using it off cycle. how far into your cycle are you? Id do it the last 2 weeks so you could also taper off it with nolva

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    But then again as you know, everybodys body is different, im just going by what a few people i know have done to reduce their gyno.

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    I appreciate your responses.


    I am 4 weeks in. My gyno flared up bad this cycle. I overnighted the letro. I didnt expect it to flare up like that. I am gonna run it right away at .35 mgs per day and i will cut the forma out. I read alot now on boards and articles that letro kills sex drive so its better to balance it out with test. Wont be as bad. I also read its very strong at ridding of gyno so that is what my main concern is. I have a small ball behind my nipple which has always been there but on this cycle i got some additional gyno. I can feel it. So not gonna take any chances.

    How much will it hinder my gains? Alot? Regardless of how much its better then having bitch tits lol

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    Its going to kill gains, 98% circulating estrogen. And as you know you NEED a balance of E:T to grow.

    Letro can minimize soft tissue/reverse it. Surgery is the only way to get the gland out. Once its formed its always there.
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    Can i just take the letro till the gyno subsides and then ckntunue with my ai?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noshirt52 View Post
    Can i just take the letro till the gyno subsides and then ckntunue with my ai?
    Yes, and your gains will not be killed either. Nothing will be hindered much, less estro=less water which = less weight which is why most say letro/AI=killed gains. Be more worried about lipids than killed gains....

    Take a full dose for a few days until it subsides then you can move into 1.25mg E3D without any issues.

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    Lol at full dose of letro.

    Find a balance, 1.5mg will suffice in lowering estrogen and reversing the tissue. No need to "blast that crap" theres a happy median, of; controling estrogen, reversing the tissue and keeping your joints from drying out. No need to full dose letro, start at a lower dose, if you find a lower dose works stick there.

    Distilleds right, research more next time. And your lipid values are going to bottom out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post
    Lol at full dose of letro.
    I lolz, at my full dose comment as well looking back now, yes. You know what I mean though (bc you KNOW about the compounds)

    Furthering my point of not messing with things you don'y know enough about.
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    Ive actually done tons and tons of research. Just never got to letro cause i never thought id need it but this gyno has flared up pretty bad and id like to catch it while its fresh. If a loss in sex drive for now means i wont have a saggy nipple ill take it.

    Its very strange tho. In thhe past my gyno was itchy nd puffy. Now this gyno is mildly-barely painful but the lump doesnt feel like a ball. Its just a big hard area underneath and behind the nipple. As wierd as this sounds picture a half a moon. Its jn that shape under my nipple if that can give you a better idea

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    This is a pic of me i just took. Its the left nipple that has the slight gyno.

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    When taking this letro. Should i taper it up? Or just jump right in to 1mg daily? Also do i have to worry about estro rebound on cycle? Once gyno calms down i plan on cutting the letro and continuing with my ai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noshirt52 View Post
    When taking this letro. Should i taper it up? Or just jump right in to 1mg daily? Also do i have to worry about estro rebound on cycle? Once gyno calms down i plan on cutting the letro and continuing with my ai.
    Don't "cut" the letro, taper down

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    Thank you

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    Can anyone recommend a letro dosage that would be good? My gyno is fresh from this cycle. Prob about two weeks ago i got it

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    Research. Post what you think...

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    I have done tons and tons of research. This is what i have layed out:
    Day 1: .5
    Day 2: 1
    Day 3: 1.5
    Day 4: 2
    Day 5: 2.5
    Stay at 2.5 till gyno subsides.
    Then taper back down in same order and run at .5 eod since the half life is long. My pct is clomid and nolvadex. Standard dosage

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    I may be late to the convo....are you using a serm? AI's are harsher on me than just good maintenance doses of nolva while on....stop using non pharm ai's though! I like forma products for bridges once recovered...

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    I appreciate your responses.


    I am 4 weeks in. My gyno flared up bad this cycle. I overnighted the letro. I didnt expect it to flare up like that. I am gonna run it right away at .35 mgs per day and i will cut the forma out. I read alot now on boards and articles that letro kills sex drive so its better to balance it out with test. Wont be as bad. I also read its very strong at ridding of gyno so that is what my main concern is. I have a small ball behind my nipple which has always been there but on this cycle i got some additional gyno. I can feel it. So not gonna take any chances.

    How much will it hinder my gains? Alot? Regardless of how much its better then having bitch tits lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noshirt52 View Post
    I have done tons and tons of research. This is what i have layed out:
    Day 1: .5
    Day 2: 1
    Day 3: 1.5
    Day 4: 2
    Day 5: 2.5
    Stay at 2.5 till gyno subsides.
    Then taper back down in same order and run at .5 eod since the half life is long. My pct is clomid and nolvadex. Standard dosage
    Second gen SERM's like Nolvadex were made to target the breast tissue....why wait? If I am wrong someone correct me....The Ai's they recommended should kill ALL estrogen which will lesson the problem...and may make you feel bad. When I zap all estro I feel like ass. But a little better than a juicy titty I guess...

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    Exactly. I really dont wanna kill all estro but its worth it to save my nipple. And i agree 100 percent about the ai. This is the last time ill ever run this ai. Only adex from now on. At least im learning for future cycles.

    After i taper off the letro could i discontinue it on cycle? I dont wanna rebound so i would start my forma stanzol right away

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    people may be like what the hell but i started at 2.5

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    How did it work for gyno purposes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noshirt52 View Post
    I have done tons and tons of research. This is what i have layed out:
    Day 1: .5
    Day 2: 1
    Day 3: 1.5
    Day 4: 2
    Day 5: 2.5
    Stay at 2.5 till gyno subsides.
    Then taper back down in same order and run at .5 eod since the half life is long. My pct is clomid and nolvadex. Standard dosage
    once the gyno subsides, i would stay at 2.5mg for another week just to be safe, then i would begin to very slowly taper down and follow with nolva.

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    people may be like what the hell but i started at 2.5
    ^^^ i agree with this. your going to kill your estrogen eventually anyways, the sooner you can stop and growth and begin to reverse it the better the prognosis. its going to take some time to clear the circulating estrogen anyways but in the mean time, you want to cut off aromatase activity as soon as possible. the letro will prevent (for the most part) any further estrogen production but like i said, you will still have circulating estrogen. for this reason, i would run your nolva the first week or so when you start the letro to avoid that circulating estrogen from exhibiting further activity on the tissue. thats how i would do it anyway. good luck, man.
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    Thanks. From what i read your not supposed to take nolvadex on cycle? I want to discontinue the letro after gyno subsides and i taper. Is that ok? Or do i have to continue running it?

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    Personally I'd rather gain a pound less muscle from taking nolva during cycle than have big juciy titties....:-)

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    Thanks. From what i read your not supposed to take nolvadex on cycle? I want to discontinue the letro after gyno subsides and i taper. Is that ok? Or do i have to continue running it?

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    Isnt that the point of the letro tho? If nolva blocks estro from binding why cant i just use my ai for that that i am currently running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noshirt52 View Post
    Thanks. From what i read your not supposed to take nolvadex on cycle? I want to discontinue the letro after gyno subsides and i taper. Is that ok? Or do i have to continue running it?
    like i said, thats just how i would run it. typically, it wouldnt make sense to run nolva on a cycle, unless man boobs enter the picture. some might disagree with me but imo, nolva is your quickest option to stop further growth or at least slow it down while you wait for the letro to start working. stopping/preventing/reversing gyno is a very tricky thing to do. what works for some doesnt work for others. its dependent on many many variables. whats your cycle and how far into are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er View Post
    Personally I'd rather gain a pound less muscle from taking nolva during cycle than have big juciy titties....:-)
    exactly! gains would not be my primary goal at this point.
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    Gains are not my primary goal right now. Ridding of my gyno is. I am on week 4 and 3 days of my 12 week cycle. I recently had to cut my anavar off. I am taking 500 mgs per week so u know i am gyno prone.

    My point is nolva is part of my pct. if an ai that im running has kept my gyno at bay...why not run the letro which i read kills 98 percent of estro correct? (At high dosage) so there is no estro to bind to the receptors at all. Then as im tapering off start my forma again at higher dosage.

    Let me clarify this. I didnt run an ai the first 3 weeks. Thats why the gyno flared up. When i staryed running it has not gotten any worse. Has just remained the same. So no more estro is binding

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noshirt52 View Post
    Gains are not my primary goal right now. Ridding of my gyno is. I am on week 4 and 3 days of my 12 week cycle. I recently had to cut my anavar off. I am taking 500 mgs per week so u know i am gyno prone.

    My point is nolva is part of my pct. if an ai that im running has kept my gyno at bay...why not run the letro which i read kills 98 percent of estro correct? (At high dosage) so there is no estro to bind to the receptors at all. Then as im tapering off start my forma again at higher dosage.

    Let me clarify this. I didnt run an ai the first 3 weeks. Thats why the gyno flared up. When i staryed running it has not gotten any worse. Has just remained the same. So no more estro is binding
    i guess if its working, roll with it. i was suggesting nolva for the first week if you had just started the letro since letro wont instantly rid your body of estrogen, it just prevents any further production of it. if its not getting any worse, i guess just continue on with the letro and hopefully it will reverse it.
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    I'm currently running 500mg test e pw and running letro at 0.5 every other day because I am very gyno prone, I'd read this a few places before I started cycle and people had suggested it wouldn't hinder muscle gains but would stop bloat? Am I likely to be ruining my cycle at this dosage? Should I switch to arimidex and hope its enough to stop gyno? What dosage? (sorry op not jacking your thread I'm looking for the same answers you are)
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    Its no problem. Im interested as well. Ill tell u this. Igor the gyno and the ai is not reversing it. If i wouldve known id have done letro. But u live and learn. Ill make sure for my next cycle to start with letro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noshirt52
    Its no problem. Im interested as well. Ill tell u this. Igor the gyno and the ai is not reversing it. If i wouldve known id have done letro. But u live and learn. Ill make sure for my next cycle to start with letro.
    You don't know how your going to react until you try it, everybody's different it's a learning curve in my opinion... Hope you get it sorted
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    Appreciate it. Ill be experimenting and see what works

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