m1,4add cycle critique
- 12-07-2004, 10:57 PM
m1,4add cycle critique
Weeks 1-6: m1,4add @ 60mg-120mg/day (ramping up daily for the first week)
Weeks 1-6: 1ad @ 600mg
Weeks 1-6: 4ad @ 900 oral or 400mg trans
Weeks 3-6: m5aa 40mg pre-workout *
I'm thinking of running this cycle in a couple of weeks and wanted to hear some of your thoughts.
I was also thinking of running a small dose of nolva (10mg/day) throughout the cycle to control any estrogen problems that arise from using m1,4add& 4ad together. Should I use the m5aa throughout or just at the end of the cycle to harden things up a bit?
Any help or input would be appreciated.
- 12-07-2004, 11:10 PM
sounds pretty good to me, although i would definitely run the 4-ad as a trans and at 300mg
this will be a VERY wet cycle with the m14add and 4-ad so definitely have nolva on hand in case of gyno and maybe even an AI like letro
the 40mg of m5aa should give you a nice "psyched up feeling" for your workouts (although 50mg didn't for me), but only 40mg a day probably won't harden you up much (100mg of m5aa split up during the day did harden me up nicely, but that cycle wasn't wet, unlike yours)
- 12-08-2004, 12:25 AM
don't you think the m 1,4 add is too much at 120 mg ?
and he shouldn't be stacking two methyls
also it is very androgenic with m5aa, 1ad, 4-ad, m1,4 add
I'd say drop the m5aa
12-08-2004, 08:34 AM
6 weeks of M1,4add??? that's a typo right? this is a kickstarter. think dbol. 2-2.5 weeks. and yeah an AI like dex or letro would keep the bloat down.Originally Posted by iron ogr
i'm fixin to run a very similar cycle (okay, a couple cycles) next year, but finishing with MDHT weeks 5-6 to solidify gains / harden (which your M5 wont do if run it like you plan to)
also, the 1st week of 1-ad can be 300mg. i absolutely exploded on that small amount, but then upped to 600 when the gains slowed.
12-08-2004, 09:52 AM
m14add and m5aa are both relatively mild, i personally don't think its TOO bad to run both of them
120mg of m14add is not too much, read the logs, it seems to be on the lower end of effective dosages
people run dbol for 6 weeks all the time, although 4 is definitely more common
and yes of course its androgenic, but its also very wet
12-08-2004, 10:19 AM
Like was said earlier, 40mg m5aa preworkout probably wont have the hardening effect you are looking for. Go for 70-100mg/day spread throughout (with the biggest dose before working out). I was planning on a similar cycle minus the 4AD and stopping the m14 at week 4. 3aa trans at 80-100mg/day weeks 3-6.
12-08-2004, 10:52 AM
after the first week run up, I would bump the 4add up to 150 or higher, depending on your weight and drop the m5aa
12-08-2004, 11:42 AM
Out of curiosity, how much letro would you all run with this stack?
I had planned on running 4-AD with M1,4 ADD simply because I won't allow myself to run 1-Test due to concerns over hairloss (kind of the same reason I won't run m5aa). Probably would throw some 4OHT in there, as well, to counteract some of the aromatization going on.
Would you all have an opinion on running MOHN in place of M5aa in this stack?
Maybe something like this:
M1,4-ADD - 120
MOHN - 24
MOHN - 30
4OHT - 150
I don't want to hijack this thread, but I thought it was relevant.
12-08-2004, 02:49 PM
like I said, I would take m14add in higher dosese like 150-200range, and I would run it for 6 weeks (your whole cycle)
12-08-2004, 05:32 PM
Revised cycle plan
Based on your feed back what do you think of this??
Week 1: m1,4add @ 60mg-120mg/day (ramping up daily for the first week)
1ad @ 300mg/day
4ad @ 400mg trans
week 2: m1,4add @ 150mg/day
1ad @ 400mg/day
4ad @ 400mg trans
Week 3-4: m1,4add @ 150mg/day
1ad @ 600mg/day
4ad @ 400mg trans
Weeks 5-6: 1ad @ 600mg/day
4ad @ 400mg trans
m5aa 100mg split throughout the day *
tamoxifen citrate @10mg/ED
12-08-2004, 07:45 PM
my current cycle looks like:
wk1-9 1800-2100mg/wk 4ad cyp/prop
wk1-9 225mg/wk 4oht cyp
wk1-9 500-600mg 1 test cyp
wk1-6 400mg/day 1,4 andro
wk1-3 15mg/day of M1T
wk4-8 150mg/day of M14ad
wk8-11 slin pwo
wk8-11 Mdht 100mg/day
wk8-11 m4ohn 24mg/day(maybe will decide then how things are going)
Hcg will be used, nolva on hand, clomid for pct
i just started with the m14ad, and holy **** the back pumps, i was doing deadlifts, a day later and it still hurts, it gets better when i stretch but after a while comes back. i have used m14ad before but at 90mg/day and stacked with m4ohn. i didnt get these back pumps with the M1t as some people say, also the 4oht seems to keeping me relatively dry given the cycle, this is a serious bulking cycle, i decided to use the Mdht and posibly the M4ohn at the end to keep my hormone levles up while the cyps where off and also to harden up and solidify my gains. i started around 204 i got up to about 217 on the m1t, was down to 215(probably just water loss) now that the cyps should be in full swing, the weight should keep going up along with the m14ad, i should gain a few lbs with the slin as well. im about 11% bf when all is said and done i would like to be around 225lbs 10%bf. hopefully this lower back pain goes away soon, i suppose ill just have to lay off of doing deadlifts until this cycle is done. strenght is through the roof too if anyone was wondering, bench was 285lbsx4 squat was 405x4, smith machine seated mil press was 275lbs x 4. i love this cycle so far. if a trans has absorbtion rate of about 30% then i would think (ironogr) you would want to go higher on the 4AD, just get something to control the bloating, im not the only one that has run 4AD cyp at around 2000mg/wk and loved it either, i think you will like your cycle as far as mass/strenght gains as well as how you feel. its similar to mine, just not as extreme, im not sure your current size either and your goals, mine are all out size and strength, body fat only as low so that it wont inhibit strength gains for football
12-08-2004, 07:54 PM
i'd still throw in the m5aa the last two weeks at a high dose (100mg) i personally believe m14add for 6 weeks and m5aa for 2 weeks really won't do much harm and will harden you up someOriginally Posted by iron ogr
i'd also just use the 1-ad at 600mg all the way through
12-08-2004, 09:48 PM
Glenihan...I like the way your thinkin'
Thanks for your time guys, I may just start this weekend.
12-08-2004, 10:53 PM
have a blast man
oh and get some celery seed extract and hawthorn berry i can pretty much guarantee that cycle will elevate your blood pressure
12-09-2004, 12:10 AM
Damn weeenisss, that's a lot. Sounds like a badass cycle though.
12-09-2004, 05:32 AM
it is a lot, but because of my profession, i have to stay on the legal side, so this will be my last one--figured i wouldnt hold anything backOriginally Posted by g4ud1n
12-10-2004, 06:19 AM
Doesn't m1,4add have a half life of around 4-6 hrs??
When would you suggest taking it? All at once or spread out throughout the day?
The 4ad is going to br split 200mg am/ 200mg pm
12-10-2004, 08:51 AM
I'd split it thoughout the day. I took 5-30 mg capsules daily (3 spread out evenly throughout the day, and 2 one hour preworkout). I got good effects from 60mg preworkout. 90 mg preworkout made the pumps too painful, it felt like my biceps were going to burst.Originally Posted by iron ogr
12-10-2004, 05:48 PM
Thanks Rob, I will give that a shot.
Should it be avoided before bed?? I workout around 5-6 o'clock.
12-11-2004, 09:46 PM
I dosed 30 mg before bed and had no problem sleeping.Originally Posted by iron ogr
12-12-2004, 10:58 AM
As far as controlling the excess estrogen while on cycle...I was originally planning on a low dose of nolva (10mg/ED)
Would the m5aa (which is supposed to have anti-estrogenic effects to some degree) be effective in controlling that??
12-12-2004, 12:21 PM
Yes, but you'd need to dose regularly daily probably at about 60-100mg minimum to be effective. You'd also be stacking methyls which is never a good thing.Originally Posted by iron ogr
12-12-2004, 05:13 PM
So realistically the nolva @ 10mg/ED would probably be a better choice.
12-13-2004, 12:21 AM
I'd just hold out until you felt sensitive nipples and then start dosing Nolva. Nolva won't do anything for the bloat, just the gyno. The M5AA would address the bloat. Personnally, like you said, I'd skip the M5AA.Originally Posted by iron ogr
12-13-2004, 10:28 AM
Nolva will not control the bloat, and you need some estrogen to have a good bulker, so like Rob says I would just have it on the side ready to use when any gyno arises.
12-13-2004, 04:50 PM
Thanks for all of your help guys, I really appreciate it.
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