WHERE TO START?!?
- 12-30-2012, 04:27 AM
WHERE TO START?!?
Hey guys, so im completely new to both this website and the whole ph scene and would love some professional experianced insight to some of the many questions I have. Now before I start many of these questions might have been already answered here on the forum but as I said before im new so please bare with me . I am a current fitness model and will be competing nationally in physique in a couple months. Now im not just doing this as a hobby but have many connections working with me getting me into the fitness industry and I hope to one day even grab a pro card. Now I used to always be the small kid until I started taking up lifting, doing research, and now certified personal trainer, beginning at the age of 17 120lbs to now 20 165lbs 10% bodyfat. Now im tired of people not doing there research whether its for ph to even proper nutrition, just eager to jump into thing improperly. Me not being one of those people am looking for some of your experienced input of where to start. Being both new to and not a big fan of ph personally I was curious as to what the best safest ph would be to start with to help me put on only about 8-15 more pounds lean muscle. A friend of mine suggested as a start looking into Epistan but im not one for "broscience" so if I should look at other products do let me know. Now of course I know a lot of your might ask what my current nutritional regime and lifting looks like so I thought I would go ahead and list that out for you. Nutritionally I eat about 6 meals non workout days (2970 cal. 260g carbs 260g protein 99g fat) and 8 on workout days (3300 cal. 289g carbs 289g protein 110g fat) Current supplementation includes a 100% whey protien, casien, BCAA, CLA, Creatine Monohydrate, Fish Oils, and Arachnodic Acid) Current lifting experience under my belt is about 4 years, and current regime would be about 5 days a week heavy lifting. Hopefully as you can see I like to not only have everything in tune but know what the hell im doing/taking/ talking about LOL. But with PH I know NOTHING. Where should I start? Again thank you!
NOTE: Attached Is a current picture of my progress thus far.
- 12-30-2012, 05:34 AM
You came to the rite place Bro, lots of guys here with incredible knowledge. I'm not one with a lot of knowledge of ph's. But your on the rite track with epistane and Havoc aren't real bad on your liver. I would check out the ph cycle section and find someone cycling ph's. But I'm sure somebody will chime in and give you good advice better than me. Good luck and looks as if you know what your doing physicaly by your photo.
- 12-30-2012, 06:58 AM
Well man I'm by no means knowledgeable about PHs but I have run a couple cycles so I'll help best I can. Epi is a good starter ph. Run it at doses around 30mg - 50mg daily spread out during the day. I ran it at 40 and had nice results on a calorie deficit. To be on the safe side get some liver protection. Nutraplanet has a sale in aegis shield if the gods. It has TUDCA in it so it's awesome for support. Furthermore you should grab some hawthorn berry for any potential bp issues. Last but not least you need a serm for pct. Nolvadex clomid torem all work. Get dome bulk DAA powder and a decent natty t booster. Run pct for 4 weeks. Good luck bro and enjoy. Oh btw welcome to AM. Lots of knowledgeable guys in this board that are usually more than willing to help
12-30-2012, 07:17 AM
Personally i would go with pmag, run it at 75 mg for 6 weeks, get Aegis for your liver, red yeast rice and coq10 for blood pressure, and torem, Daa , and erase for pct.all that for less than 150 bucks. Some people have had problems with epi.
12-30-2012, 02:10 PM
Hey guys again thank you for the input! So should o go with epi or halodrol or however you say it Lol (still learning) what and when should I take a pct? How should I cycle it? Thanks guys
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12-30-2012, 02:29 PM
Lol that's not himOriginally Posted by hvactech
12-30-2012, 02:34 PM
That is in fact me and I would be more than happy to post more pictures as well as lead you to my personal fitness page. If you read my entire post you would see diet and everything is far beyond in check. I do my reasearch and personally in my opinion knowledge is power. Hence why im asking for the input of you guys on futher improving my game rather then heading into it blindly.
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Well at 20 yrs old i wouldnt cycle and again, if that is you, at your age then obviously the natural way is working so why manipulate your hormones
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12-30-2012, 07:32 PM
Wait a second did I somehow miss that your only 20?? Man your natural test levels will be quite high at the moment why jot take advantage of that while you can? And then turn to ph/ds or injects in a few years!
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01-03-2013, 02:56 AM
So just got the epistan and should be starting the cycle sometime next week. Now when it comes to PCT what should I be looking at with this PH. The guy at the store said due to its mild nature a simple natural test booster will do. Also would any of you suggest taking this along my current sup. Stack?
01-03-2013, 03:26 AM
Originally Posted by BeRoyalYeah unfortunately the natty physique takes a lot linger to build to that level so I know why we all cheat lol. With any ph you will need a seem. Clomid Nolva or torem. You should go back to the guy who told u that a natty t booster will suffice and punch him lol. Serm and DAA should be all you need.Originally Posted by BeRoyal
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01-03-2013, 04:46 AM
Its all good man! Keep it simple. Nolva 40/20/20/20 mg per day/week and DAA 3g daily. Could throw in dpol or t blast as well if you wanted.Originally Posted by BeRoyal
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01-11-2013, 12:11 AM
When you start using prohormone compound's what happens is they replace the testosterone in your body, when your body see's an abundance of testosterone not being used productively it will slow down or stop natural testosterone production which is fine for on cycle because most of the things testosterone would have done is now being done by the compound you are running.
Your body to operate normally also needs a balance of testosterone to estrogen, males unlike female's do not produce estrogen rather they convert testosterone into estrogen through an enzyme called aromatase. So while there is all this extra testosterone floating around your body it is susceptible to aromatase in which it will be converted to estrogen. This doesn't usually present a problem as your testosterone replacement PH will compete with the estrogen for what parts of your body it will bind to and effect.
But once you stop supplementing with PH and your body's natural testosterone production is very limited there is nothing to compete with the estrogen in your body, as well as when test production is restarted the abundance of aromatase will want to rapidly convert that test into estrogen. It will start to interact with things that testosterone would normally react with and cause adverse effects, most notoriously gyno (growth of female breast tissue in a male). What a SERM is as said is a Selective Estrogen Reception Modulator, it competes with estrogen and can help in rebooting testosterone production.
A lot of people who do personal biochemistry for their own personal hormonal research on rodent specimen's will get SERM's from research chemical companies but they are not intended for human comsumption, and since this is a bodybuilding forum and these such compounds can also be used illegally by humans we are not allowed to discuss locations for purchasing these SERM's.
Because of frequent discussion of SERM's and how people use them to combat estrogen after performing hormonal cycles on them. The ad company anabolic mind's sells space to on their forum to help generate revenue to keep the site free to use will some time's show these research companies because they have paid these ad companies to be shown when keywords relating to the products they sell for research are found commonly on message boards. But these companies are not sponsors of anabolic minds, they are not endorsed by anabolic minds, and because of the nature of their compounds and how they are used in correlation to hormone replacement they are not to be discussed on this site, they only show up due to keyword based target advertisement.
When using SERMs for post cycle therapy, dosage is usually started high and tapered to a low dose by the end of the post cycle therapy. To try and help return you to homeostasis instead of a sudden drop.
That covered most of the basics behind it, before you start taking that epi I would highly suggest reading through more information. This can be a confusing game and one wrong move could create a devastating effect.
Feel free to shoot away and we will help you as much as possible.
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