Finally decided on my first cycle (Test and Tbol)

Page 1 of 2 12 Last
  1. Registered User
    Shredology's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  140 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    14
    Rep Power
    31

    Finally decided on my first cycle (Test and Tbol)


    Alright so after a good bunch of reading, thinking and decision changes I finally decided what i'd run this winter. This is not final, but I would like to keep the same compounds and have it look somewhat close to it if you have any suggestion.

    It'll go:


    Test-e ED week 1-12 @ 400mg
    Tbol ED week 1-4 @ 50mg
    Tbol ED week 4-6 @ 60mg
    Var ED week 10-14 @ 80mg


    PCT:

    HCG week 3-13
    Torem week 15-18 120/90/60/30
    NLA T-Blast week 12-18 @ 3g ED
    Vitamin E week 13-14 1000iu ED
    Aromasin week 1-18 12.5mg ED


    What are your thoughts on this bros?

  2. Registered User
    Lukef2000's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  200 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    4,410
    Rep Power
    1807705

    I'd start hcg earlier than that around weeks 3-4 and run through until a week before pct. In saying that too for a simple test cycle I wouldn't even bother with it. Cycle looks good tho nice and simple. I'd put some DAA in your pct 3g daily and also a natty test booster. Purus and NLA have some good ones out atm.
    Mind and Muscle board representative.
  3. Registered User
    Shredology's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  140 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    14
    Rep Power
    31

    Are the test boosters really helpful? They're damn expensive and from what I heard about them they don't really do anything lol..I've read some good things on DAA though, how long would you suggest?
    •   
       

  4. Registered User
    Lukef2000's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  200 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    4,410
    Rep Power
    1807705

    Quote Originally Posted by Shredology
    Are the test boosters really helpful? They're damn expensive and from what I heard about them they don't really do anything lol..I've read some good things on DAA though, how long would you suggest?
    Yeah they do help especially with libido boost t by NLA is probably one of the better ones out. DAA works. I saw a study a while ago showing that it increased T levels by from memory 62%. run it 3g daily for 4 weeks.
    Mind and Muscle board representative.
  5. Registered User
    j05441's Avatar
    Stats
    5'6"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    308
    Rep Power
    1309

    So in
    Daa is my ****
    Why end tbol over front load? Just wondering.?
    Check out recycle + daa
    Pct is bare bro imo needs some work
  6. Banned
    JD261985's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  171 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    florida
    Posts
    2,704
    Rep Power
    0

    Maybe throw in some anabeta elite, testforce 2 and 7 spray
  7. Registered User
    Lukef2000's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  200 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    4,410
    Rep Power
    1807705

    Also man you might want to extend the Tbol out an the end until week 14. Just because the esters are clearing your system doesn't mean you can't keep gaining
    Mind and Muscle board representative.
  8. Registered User
    Shredology's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  140 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    14
    Rep Power
    31

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Yeah they do help especially with libido boost t by NLA is probably one of the better ones out. DAA works. I saw a study a while ago showing that it increased T levels by from memory 62%. run it 3g daily for 4 weeks.
    That's great, i'll definitely get some then, it'll be helpful to keep the gains!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Also man you might want to extend the Tbol out an the end until week 14. Just because the esters are clearing your system doesn't mean you can't keep gaining
    You're right, I don't know why I just assumed I would stop at the same time I stopped test, will fix it
  9. Registered User
    infraredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    394
    Rep Power
    8471

    Quote Originally Posted by Shredology View Post
    Alright so after a good bunch of reading, thinking and decision changes I finally decided what i'd run this winter. This is not final, but I would like to keep the same compounds and have it look somewhat close to it if you have any suggestion.

    It'll go:

    Test-e ED week 1-12 @ 500mg
    Tbol ED week 6-10 @ 50mg
    Tbol ED week 10-12 @ 70mg
    Tbol ED week 12-14 @ 80mg

    PCT:

    HCG week 3-13
    Nolva ED week 14-18 40/20/20/20/20
    NLA T-Blast week 12-18 @ 3g ED

    What are your thoughts on this bros?
    I would keep the test at 350 a week since its your first cycle

    Also I would just blast hcg in weeks 13-14 this way you don't desensitize you leydig cells (I think these are the ones affected)

    On top of that I would not use nolvadex since there are far superior options to it

    Also I would run var on the back end since tbol really shouldn't be run for more then 6 weeks at a time since it can be harsher on your liver

    This is what I would do
    Cycle:
    1-12 test e 350mg (175mg mon 175mg thurs)
    1-6 tbol 60mg
    8-12 var 60mg
    13-14 hcg 1000iu a week
    13-14 vitamin e 1000iu a day
    1-6 & 8-12 organ shield by purus labs
    Pct:
    15-18 torem 120/90/60/30
    1-18 aromasin 12.5mg eod
    15-18 purus labs recycle and forged post cycle
    15-18 d-aspartic acid 3g ed
  10. Registered User
    Shredology's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  140 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    14
    Rep Power
    31

    Quote Originally Posted by infraredline View Post
    I would keep the test at 350 a week since its your first cycle

    Also I would just blast hcg in weeks 13-14 this way you don't desensitize you leydig cells (I think these are the ones affected)

    On top of that I would not use nolvadex since there are far superior options to it

    Also I would run var on the back end since tbol really shouldn't be run for more then 6 weeks at a time since it can be harsher on your liver

    This is what I would do
    Cycle:
    1-12 test e 350mg (175mg mon 175mg thurs)
    1-6 tbol 60mg
    8-12 var 60mg
    13-14 hcg 1000iu a week
    13-14 vitamin e 1000iu a day
    1-6 & 8-12 organ shield by purus labs
    Pct:
    15-18 torem 120/90/60/30
    1-18 aromasin 12.5mg eod
    15-18 purus labs recycle and forged post cycle
    15-18 d-aspartic acid 3g ed
    Thanks for the feedback brother. I read pretty much everywhere that running test under 500/week was pretty much pointless? Also, I read pretty much everywhere that Tbol is easier on your liver than pretty much any other oral, do you think a 2 weeks break between 2 6 week cycles or orals will be enough? I planned on taking milk thistle everyday. Keep in mind my goal with this cycle is to make the most strength/weight gain as possible, and to KEEP the most possible. Keep really is the key word here, as I don't plan on doing many cycles. I will look into torem and aromasin instead of nolvadex too, thanks again for the feedback it definitely presents new options I didn't consider!
  11. Registered User
    infraredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    394
    Rep Power
    8471

    Quote Originally Posted by Shredology View Post

    Thanks for the feedback brother. I read pretty much everywhere that running test under 500/week was pretty much pointless? Also, I read pretty much everywhere that Tbol is easier on your liver than pretty much any other oral, do you think a 2 weeks break between 2 6 week cycles or orals will be enough? I planned on taking milk thistle everyday. Keep in mind my goal with this cycle is to make the most strength/weight gain as possible, and to KEEP the most possible. Keep really is the key word here, as I don't plan on doing many cycles. I will look into torem and aromasin instead of nolvadex too, thanks again for the feedback it definitely presents new options I didn't consider!
    I strongly disagree that running test under 500 is a waste, keep in mind less is more when it comes to this stuff an considering you don't plan on running to many cycles you don't want to accustom yourself to higher dose test
    I would agree that under 500 is a waste if this is your 3rd or 4th cycle but since it is your first you will see very nice keepable results at 350 a week

    I'm not sure where you read that tbol was the least harsh on your liver but that is not the case, 4-chloro compounds like halodrol and tbol are harsh on your liver var is probably the least harsh oral when it comes to your liver
    That's why I said hit the tbol for the first 6 weeks then finish the last 4 with some var, the var will dry you out and put the finishing touches on a very keepable cycle

    Just an FYI milk thistle won't be enough it will protect your liver but not your other organs, organ shield by purus labs or something similar is going to do the trick, it's like $20

    You really should use something other then nolva why do I say this you ask?
    1. Nolvadex decreases collagen synthesis (this means it makes it harder for your body to repair its tendons ligaments and muscle fibers) thus making you probe to injury and harder to preserve your hard earned gains
    2. Nolvadex increases clotting factor (your red blood cell count will have already been elevated significantly from the aas thus making your blood very thick, you really don't want your blood to get any thicker)
    3. Nolvadex is a carcinogen
    4. Nolvadex does nothing to repair hpta, it works through the indirect feedback loop by lowering estrogen causing a rise in test (its not even a good Ai though)

    I promise you will not be disappointed if you use torem it works the best, I'm sure many others whom have used it will agree

    Lastly, the reason I say aromasin on cycle through pct is it raises igf-1 levels, this is crucial during pct because it helps preserve gains, in addition it is important on cycle to prevent estrogen sides and cutting back on water retention
  12. Registered User
    Shredology's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  140 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    14
    Rep Power
    31

    Quote Originally Posted by infraredline View Post
    I strongly disagree that running test under 500 is a waste, keep in mind less is more when it comes to this stuff an considering you don't plan on running to many cycles you don't want to accustom yourself to higher dose test
    I would agree that under 500 is a waste if this is your 3rd or 4th cycle but since it is your first you will see very nice keepable results at 350 a week

    I'm not sure where you read that tbol was the least harsh on your liver but that is not the case, 4-chloro compounds like halodrol and tbol are harsh on your liver var is probably the least harsh oral when it comes to your liver
    That's why I said hit the tbol for the first 6 weeks then finish the last 4 with some var, the var will dry you out and put the finishing touches on a very keepable cycle

    Just an FYI milk thistle won't be enough it will protect your liver but not your other organs, organ shield by purus labs or something similar is going to do the trick, it's like $20

    You really should use something other then nolva why do I say this you ask?
    1. Nolvadex decreases collagen synthesis (this means it makes it harder for your body to repair its tendons ligaments and muscle fibers) thus making you probe to injury and harder to preserve your hard earned gains
    2. Nolvadex increases clotting factor (your red blood cell count will have already been elevated significantly from the aas thus making your blood very thick, you really don't want your blood to get any thicker)
    3. Nolvadex is a carcinogen
    4. Nolvadex does nothing to repair hpta, it works through the indirect feedback loop by lowering estrogen causing a rise in test (its not even a good Ai though)

    I promise you will not be disappointed if you use torem it works the best, I'm sure many others whom have used it will agree

    Lastly, the reason I say aromasin on cycle through pct is it raises igf-1 levels, this is crucial during pct because it helps preserve gains, in addition it is important on cycle to prevent estrogen sides and cutting back on water retention
    Whoa great response, suits my needs very well. Then I will do Tbol for 6 and end with var, and replace nolva with torem. I'll also use aromasin during and after the cycle. Thanks again bro, I would rep you more if I could
  13. Registered User
    infraredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    394
    Rep Power
    8471

    Quote Originally Posted by Shredology View Post

    Whoa great response, suits my needs very well. Then I will do Tbol for 6 and end with var, and replace nolva with torem. I'll also use aromasin during and after the cycle. Thanks again bro, I would rep you more if I could
    Anytime bro, just pm me if you have any other question
  14. Registered User
    jbryand101b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Your moms house
    Posts
    14,556
    Rep Power
    1590235

    Quote Originally Posted by infraredline

    I strongly disagree that running test under 500 is a waste, keep in mind less is more when it comes to this stuff an considering you don't plan on running to many cycles you don't want to accustom yourself to higher dose test
    I would agree that under 500 is a waste if this is your 3rd or 4th cycle but since it is your first you will see very nice keepable results at 350 a week

    I'm not sure where you read that tbol was the least harsh on your liver but that is not the case, 4-chloro compounds like halodrol and tbol are harsh on your liver var is probably the least harsh oral when it comes to your liver
    That's why I said hit the tbol for the first 6 weeks then finish the last 4 with some var, the var will dry you out and put the finishing touches on a very keepable cycle

    Just an FYI milk thistle won't be enough it will protect your liver but not your other organs, organ shield by purus labs or something similar is going to do the trick, it's like $20

    You really should use something other then nolva why do I say this you ask?
    1. Nolvadex decreases collagen synthesis (this means it makes it harder for your body to repair its tendons ligaments and muscle fibers) thus making you probe to injury and harder to preserve your hard earned gains
    2. Nolvadex increases clotting factor (your red blood cell count will have already been elevated significantly from the aas thus making your blood very thick, you really don't want your blood to get any thicker)
    3. Nolvadex is a carcinogen
    4. Nolvadex does nothing to repair hpta, it works through the indirect feedback loop by lowering estrogen causing a rise in test (its not even a good Ai though)

    I promise you will not be disappointed if you use torem it works the best, I'm sure many others whom have used it will agree

    Lastly, the reason I say aromasin on cycle through pct is it raises igf-1 levels, this is crucial during pct because it helps preserve gains, in addition it is important on cycle to prevent estrogen sides and cutting back on water retention
    Wtf, really, not sure what else is said, but, if it's anything like the second paragraph, its a load of garbage.
    Thank you, keep on..
  15. Registered User
    Shredology's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  140 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    14
    Rep Power
    31

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Wtf, really, not sure what else is said, but, if it's anything like the first paragraph, its a load of garbage.
    Thank you, keep on..
    I'll say the same for you, keep going? ;P
  16. Registered User
    jbryand101b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Your moms house
    Posts
    14,556
    Rep Power
    1590235

    Quote Originally Posted by Shredology

    I'll say the same for you, keep going? ;P
    My b, first paragraph is okay, It's the second that's junk.
  17. Registered User
    Red Fox's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    307
    Rep Power
    15411

    I've heard from a doctor who actually has medical experience in steroid cycles (someone posted a link on this site a couple times) and the doctor said you should use HCG the entire cycle, ~250iu twice a week, and then up to 2000iu every other day while in PCT.
  18. Registered User
    infraredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    394
    Rep Power
    8471

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    My b, first paragraph is okay, It's the second that's junk.
    Do explain? I wasn't saying tbol is as bad as dbol anadrol Superdrol ect.

    It is a more mild oral but var is the least harsh on your liver
  19. Registered User
    jbryand101b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Your moms house
    Posts
    14,556
    Rep Power
    1590235

    Quote Originally Posted by infraredline

    Do explain? I wasn't saying tbol is as bad as dbol anadrol Superdrol ect.

    It is a more mild oral but var is the least harsh on your liver
    No it isn't.
  20. Registered User
    jbryand101b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Your moms house
    Posts
    14,556
    Rep Power
    1590235

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox
    I've heard from a doctor who actually has medical experience in steroid cycles (someone posted a link on this site a couple times) and the doctor said you should use HCG the entire cycle, ~250iu twice a week, and then up to 2000iu every other day while in PCT.
    Doctors name?
  21. Registered User
    Red Fox's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    307
    Rep Power
    15411

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Doctors name?
    Dr. Scally.


    PS to the topic creator, I hear super dmz is safer and more potent than dbol or tbol.
  22. Registered User
    jbryand101b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Your moms house
    Posts
    14,556
    Rep Power
    1590235

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox

    Dr. Scally.

    PS to the topic creator, I hear super dmz is safer and more potent than dbol or tbol.
    I haven't seen Dr mike scally recommend Hcg on cycle, doesn't mean he hasn't, just haven't seen it.
    Op should google p.o.w.e.r. pct for more info on Dr scally's research/real world, proven effective pct.

    Oh, what you hear on dimethazine is inaccurate. More potent though, certainly, mg for mg
  23. Registered User
    jbryand101b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Your moms house
    Posts
    14,556
    Rep Power
    1590235

    Then op should look for my cycle length thread.
  24. Registered User
    infraredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    394
    Rep Power
    8471

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox View Post
    I've heard from a doctor who actually has medical experience in steroid cycles (someone posted a link on this site a couple times) and the doctor said you should use HCG the entire cycle, ~250iu twice a week, and then up to 2000iu every other day while in PCT.
    He's right that he has done research on it but like I said earlier doing that desensitizes your leydig cells making it harder for your own LH to work and bind to the leydig cells
  25. Registered User
    jbryand101b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Your moms house
    Posts
    14,556
    Rep Power
    1590235

    Quote Originally Posted by infraredline

    He's right that he has done research on it but like I said earlier doing that desensitizes your leydig cells making it harder for your own LH to work and bind to the leydig cells
    You should continue to research.
  26. Registered User
    Trenbolone1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    34
    Rep Power
    44

    any methylated compound is hard on the liver guys. non methyl orals are obviously better on the liver.. but not good on gains lol
  27. Registered User
    jbryand101b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Your moms house
    Posts
    14,556
    Rep Power
    1590235

    Gotta go back to work, have fun, I'm right, so research! And find out what's what!
  28. Registered User
    jbryand101b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Your moms house
    Posts
    14,556
    Rep Power
    1590235

    Quote Originally Posted by Trenbolone1
    any methylated compound is hard on the liver guys. non methyl orals are obviously better on the liver.. but not good on gains lol
    Trenbolone isn't good on gains?
  29. Registered User
    Red Fox's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    307
    Rep Power
    15411

    Quote Originally Posted by infraredline View Post
    He's right that he has done research on it but like I said earlier doing that desensitizes your leydig cells making it harder for your own LH to work and bind to the leydig cells
    Desensitization does not occur with the doses posted.

    And jbryan, can you tell me about dmz? I have seen a lot of hype about it, and am considering it especially due to legality and from reading that it does not impact liver enzymes considerably.
  30. Registered User
    Trenbolone1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    34
    Rep Power
    44

    and super dmz is not more potent haha id take 50mg dbol over dmz anyday
  31. Registered User
    Trenbolone1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    34
    Rep Power
    44

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b

    Trenbolone isn't good on gains?
    I said non meth ORALS.
  32. Registered User
    Red Fox's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    307
    Rep Power
    15411

    Quote Originally Posted by Trenbolone1 View Post
    I said non meth ORALS.
    I see most dmz logs report gains of around 17 lbs lean body gains, and they retain a lot of it with proper PCTs. What do users of dbol report?

    Plus, DMZ is far safer on the liver
  33. Registered User
    Trenbolone1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    34
    Rep Power
    44

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox

    I see most dmz logs report gains of around 17 lbs lean body gains, and they retain a lot of it with proper PCTs. What do users of dbol report?

    Plus, DMZ is far safer on the liver
    I agree man, safer on the liver. and I think these users of dmz gaining 17 pounds are those new or relatively new to hormone use. I know if a took it right now id be lucky to get close to 4-7lbs. that's why id prefer dbol. yes, its more watery but definitely like the feel a lot better. plus who doesn't like rock hard wood in the morning haha
  34. Registered User
    Trenbolone1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    34
    Rep Power
    44

    that's me in my avitar by the way ... on d-bol.... don't look too bloated huh lol
  35. Registered User
    Shredology's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  140 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    14
    Rep Power
    31

    What is DMZ? Never heard of it...And since this is my first cycle, from what you guys are saying I would probably get strong retainable gains wouldn't I? I've read the same about Tbol though, heard of roid newbies gaining 15 pounds in 6 weeks and keeping all of them, which is way I chose to use it..
  36. Registered User
    Red Fox's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    307
    Rep Power
    15411

    Lol no I understand trenbolone, what you are saying makes sense. Because you already have so much muscle mass, I agree completely that you would only gain 4-7. But for those of us that are still in the 100-190 range, we will gain more ideally (at least in the 150-170 range lol)

    And just look up Super DMZ log. You can read all about it shred. I recommend it because it is legal, safe on the liver, and a lot of people have a lot of good results all over the world.
  37. Registered User
    Trenbolone1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    34
    Rep Power
    44

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox
    Lol no I understand trenbolone, what you are saying makes sense. Because you already have so much muscle mass, I agree completely that you would only gain 4-7. But for those of us that are still in the 100-190 range, we will gain more ideally (at least in the 150-170 range lol)

    And just look up Super DMZ log. You can read all about it shred. I recommend it because it is legal, safe on the liver, and a lot of people have a lot of good results all over the world.
    I way 191 5'8ish lol
  38. Registered User
    Trenbolone1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    34
    Rep Power
    44

    Quote Originally Posted by Shredology
    What is DMZ? Never heard of it...And since this is my first cycle, from what you guys are saying I would probably get strong retainable gains wouldn't I? I've read the same about Tbol though, heard of roid newbies gaining 15 pounds in 6 weeks and keeping all of them, which is way I chose to use it..
    and shredology, tbol is a wonderfull compound. it is much like dbol with very very similar gains but there pretty lean. almost ni water
  39. Registered User
    Trenbolone1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    34
    Rep Power
    44

    def pick tbol over dmz man, youl love it
  40. Registered User
    Red Fox's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    307
    Rep Power
    15411

    Quote Originally Posted by Trenbolone1 View Post
    def pick tbol over dmz man, youl love it
    Is tbol illegal?
  •   

      
     

Similar Forum Threads

  1. My first Cycle Test E and D-bol
    By ChrisSanderso in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 85
    Last Post: 12-09-2008, 12:02 AM
  2. my thoughts and experiences on my first cycle
    By Behemoth1 in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 12-01-2008, 07:42 PM
  3. finally decided on my cycle. please critique
    By blackjack in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 10-30-2004, 05:27 AM
  4. Replies: 11
    Last Post: 03-30-2004, 12:42 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Log in

Log in