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    Test E/Test P and Tren A/Tren E


    I've been looking around a bit and I can't find a clear cut answer. Basically this summer I'll be doing a cutting cycle with tren and test, and I was wanting to go with tren e and test e since I can get them so much cheaper. Will they ACTUALLY cause a significant amount of bloat over tren a/test p? Or am I fine going with the e esters for a cut? If I did use prop and ace instead would I see much more of a dry hard look, or will I get the same results with the ethanate esters? Thanks!

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    No opinions on this?
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    It really depends on a few things...
    1. Are u gonna mind pinning everyday (tren ace)?
    2. How long is your cycle?
    3. If the sides become too much are u gonna be ok with the extra 2 weeks that the tren e stays in ur system?
    3. Are you ok with the extra bloat?

    The bloat will be significant, but AIs are good for that. Personally I wouldn't use long esters on a cut. Then again I don't plan on ever using long esters bc I do mind the water.
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    I am actually stuck on this same thing for my next injectable. I really don't want to pin everyday and I like the ideas of 12 week cycles to really solidify gains. If you do decide to run tren e for your first time I came up with this solution,

    Since we don't know how we will react to tren, the ace ester is nice because it will clear in 2-3
    Days so if sides are bad then it will only sick so a Hirt period of time.

    Wit tren e, I'm guess the standard it 499mg a week for 12 weeks. I suggest to run it at only 200mg for the first 4 weeks and as you start to establish stable blood levels and feel this steroid bump it up to 400mg theoretically weeks 5-12.

    This is what I plan on doing along with running some proviron or winny for DHT to help keep tren sides at bay.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    Cycle will be 12 weeks test, 10 weeks tren, and 6 weeks var. will the bloat really be THAT bad using longer esters?
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    what diet are you going to use?
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    No specific diet, just lowering my calories starting with carbs
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    you should be fine then.
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    Hmm now I'm thinking about just running a more simple cycle.

    I'm thinking:
    Test-e 500 mg per week- weeks 1-10
    Test-p 100 mg EOD- weeks 10-13
    D-plex 100 mg ED- weeks 9-13

    I'll save the tren and var for later, what do you guys think?
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    Why d-plex ? Why prop at the end?
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    Well I wanna throw in the prop, and take out the e so I can pct faster instead of having to wait. D-plex I'm throwing in just because I have a bottle and I've heard it's decent at hardening you up. I'm going to buy some tren ace to throw in with the prop to evaluate my sides, and use my tren e at a later time along with the var I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia
    Well I wanna throw in the prop, and take out the e so I can pct faster instead of having to wait. D-plex I'm throwing in just because I have a bottle and I've heard it's decent at hardening you up. I'm going to buy some tren ace to throw in with the prop to evaluate my sides, and use my tren e at a later time along with the var I have.

    I've never ran prop at the end for that reason so
    you'd have to ask some of these guys that would know better than me. It might be tough to do it
    just for the simple fact of keeping your bloods consistent. As far as d-plex I've never used it.
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    If you just want to run long esters then do that. Adding prop at the end wont really do much for you. IMO, it is more important to lower dosages of the long esters going into PCT than messing around with prop. There are other hormones which when lowering the test to a HRT level for few weeks will help a great deal.
    So, let's say week 1-10 is the cycle (test e @500mg), then week 11-13 weeks run 150mg of test a week split in 2 doses(75/75). Then PCT

    As for tren...Just use it when you ready.
    Test prop/tren ace/mast is the single best stack to cut on. If you never did tren dont bother with tren enan till you try the ace. If you did deca then you will be ok on tren. Some ppl go grazy on tren no joke so take it easy at first. start with 50mg ED and see how it goes. Make sure you take caber with it and dont go more than 6 weeks on tren ace. After that sides start to become a pain in the butt
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille
    If you just want to run long esters then do that. Adding prop at the end wont really do much for you. IMO, it is more important to lower dosages of the long esters going into PCT than messing around with prop. There are other hormones which when lowering the test to a HRT level for few weeks will help a great deal.
    So, let's say week 1-10 is the cycle (test e @500mg), then week 11-13 weeks run 150mg of test a week split in 2 doses(75/75). Then PCT

    As for tren...Just use it when you ready.
    Test prop/tren ace/mast is the single best stack to cut on. If you never did tren dont bother with tren enan till you try the ace. If you did deca then you will be ok on tren. Some ppl go grazy on tren no joke so take it easy at first. start with 50mg ED and see how it goes. Make sure you take caber with it and dont go more than 6 weeks on tren ace. After that sides start to become a pain in the butt

    Agreed. What you want to so seems a little complicated trying to time everything and test out tren. I always apply the KISS theory.
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    Maybe for a cut this summer I'll use test-e weeks 1-12. Tren ace weeks 5-12 and the dplex weeks 1-4
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia View Post
    Maybe for a cut this summer I'll use test-e weeks 1-12. Tren ace weeks 5-12 and the dplex weeks 1-4
    That will work but I would extend the test by itself for another month after the tren is stopped at low dose around 150-200mg a week. You will thank me later lol
    If you stop everything after week 12 you are going to be miserable
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    Why's that? What about the guys who run prop and tren for 10 weeks then drop both and run pct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia
    Why's that? What about the guys who run prop and tren for 10 weeks then drop both and run pct?


    I think it is helpful in recovery to run the test 4 weeks longer then the tren just to let the 19 nor clear your system more...its alot easier to recover from test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    I think it is helpful in recovery to run the test 4 weeks longer then the tren just to let the 19 nor clear your system more...its alot easier to recover from test.
    You catching on quickly. That is correct.
    Unfortunate thing about 19 nor it can act up 6 months to 1 year after taking it but it's most pronounced the month after stoping it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia View Post
    Why's that? What about the guys who run prop and tren for 10 weeks then drop both and run pct?

    You dont want to be like "the other guys", do this the right way.
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    So weeks 1-15 test p or e, weeks 4-11 tren ace, and first 4 weeks dplex sound good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia
    So weeks 1-15 test p or e, weeks 4-11 tren ace, and first 4 weeks dplex sound good?

    What If you did something like this...

    Test prop weeks 1-4
    Test e weeks 1-15
    Tren weeks 4-11
    D-plex weeks 1-4

    For me personally I don't want to run prop through an entire cycle just because pinning that much sucks. For me anyway, but if you're ok with it have at it. Prop at the beginning I like because you get it in you right away instead of waiting like with test e.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia View Post
    So weeks 1-15 test p or e, weeks 4-11 tren ace, and first 4 weeks dplex sound good?
    That's a much better set up, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    What If you did something like this...

    Test prop weeks 1-4
    Test e weeks 1-15
    Tren weeks 4-11
    D-plex weeks 1-4

    For me personally I don't want to run prop through an entire cycle just because pinning that much sucks. For me anyway, but if you're ok with it have at it. Prop at the beginning I like because you get it in you right away instead of waiting like with test e.
    That would work too. This is another sound approach. It comes down to personal prefference
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    Okay I'll buy some more test e and p and grab some tren ace.
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    Also what are your guys opinions in running the tren higher than test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia
    Also what are your guys opinions in running the tren higher than test?

    They compete for the same receptors so you can run tren higher. I've heard guys having libido issues if the test isn't high enough though. Maybe some of these other guys with more experience will chime in.
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    Hmm I'm thinking of possibly holding back on the tren and trying something else with test for cutting. Any suggestions?
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    I wouldent worry about the receptors. I recall reading somewhere that there are plenty of receptors so there isrnt a fight for it. (take it with a grain of salt)
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    What about test mast and anavar?


    Just another option to think about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    What about test mast and anavar?


    Just another option to think about.
    I think I'll end up doing a test/masteron cycle. Maybe even just test and proviron. I think I was getting a little ahead of myself thinking about throwing in all those other compounds, I'll just save them for the time being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia View Post
    I think I'll end up doing a test/masteron cycle. Maybe even just test and proviron. I think I was getting a little ahead of myself thinking about throwing in all those other compounds, I'll just save them for the time being.

    Wise to do. What looks good on paper turns into something else in reality.
    Nice easy cycle to cut is test prop/mast for 6-8 weeks. You can throw in anavar if you want. But if you just starting out with anabolics keep it simple. Any compounds will have a greater effect on you because your body is new to this. As you put on more weight you will need to more gear to obtain same results.
    Use the least possible amount of gear for right now if I were you.
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    no ester of tren will bloat you, infact they do the opposite and harden you up. The choice i think is between weather you want results faster (more pinning) tren ace. Or you dont mind waiting a little for results (pinning less) tren e. Also tren ace is good if u run into sides (i dont know u ever run it before or not). Also in my opinion if your gonna blast with an oral the test p is not going to be necessary
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Wise to do. What looks good on paper turns into something else in reality.
    Nice easy cycle to cut is test prop/mast for 6-8 weeks. You can throw in anavar if you want. But if you just starting out with anabolics keep it simple. Any compounds will have a greater effect on you because your body is new to this. As you put on more weight you will need to more gear to obtain same results.
    Use the least possible amount of gear for right now if I were you.
    Thanks for the advice man, I agree with using the least amount possible until I actually need more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia

    Thanks for the advice man, I agree with using the least amount possible until I actually need more.


    I agree although for me personally I'm trying something different. I'm going to run test as high as 1g this cycle I think along with 600-900mg of EQ and 50mg dbol ed. I'm running it this way to kind of see what my ceiling is and then adjust on future cycles. Starting first week of feb most likely. You should follow along should be a fun ass ride.
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    Nice man, you're gonna be veiny as hell! I'll be following that cycle for sure. Are you going to be bulking or cutting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia
    Nice man, you're gonna be veiny as hell! I'll be following that cycle for sure. Are you going to be bulking or cutting?

    Bulking like a champ man. Ill be on for 16 weeks and plan on getting hyoooge! Lol. The last cycle I ran I logged it on here and put on 30+ lbs on a 12 week cycle of test and deca at 500mg/wk. so it'll be interesting to see what this cycle's results will be. Eat, lift heavy, eat, eat, and sleep. I want to be 240 by the end of this year. Lofty goals but we will see. 2 weeks or so away I'm getting pretty excited reading and following your log and can't wait to get mine started already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerbia View Post
    Thanks for the advice man, I agree with using the least amount possible until I actually need more.
    Def bro and as you need more doen the road you can always up the dosages. If you start high there is no place to go from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    I agree although for me personally I'm trying something different. I'm going to run test as high as 1g this cycle I think along with 600-900mg of EQ and 50mg dbol ed. I'm running it this way to kind of see what my ceiling is and then adjust on future cycles. Starting first week of feb most likely. You should follow along should be a fun ass ride.
    Haha it's def going to be a fun ride! Dont get sloppy with your diet even on a bulking cycle like this. Eat as much food as you need to grow but stay away from sugars and junk.
    Are you going to have a log?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    Bulking like a champ man. Ill be on for 16 weeks and plan on getting hyoooge! Lol. The last cycle I ran I logged it on here and put on 30+ lbs on a 12 week cycle of test and deca at 500mg/wk. so it'll be interesting to see what this cycle's results will be. Eat, lift heavy, eat, eat, and sleep. I want to be 240 by the end of this year. Lofty goals but we will see. 2 weeks or so away I'm getting pretty excited reading and following your log and can't wait to get mine started already.
    Test/deca is not the same as test/Eq. Eq is a weaker compound. Test/deca is my fav to put on mass with dbol as an option.
    FYI, Eq at 900mg/week will most likely kill your sex drive.
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