Test E/Test P and Tren A/Tren E

[xerbia]

I've been looking around a bit and I can't find a clear cut answer. Basically this summer I'll be doing a cutting cycle with tren and test, and I was wanting to go with tren e and test e since I can get them so much cheaper. Will they ACTUALLY cause a significant amount of bloat over tren a/test p? Or am I fine going with the e esters for a cut? If I did use prop and ace instead would I see much more of a dry hard look, or will I get the same results with the ethanate esters? Thanks!

[xerbia]

No opinions on this?

[figdaddy]

It really depends on a few things...
1. Are u gonna mind pinning everyday (tren ace)?
2. How long is your cycle?
3. If the sides become too much are u gonna be ok with the extra 2 weeks that the tren e stays in ur system?
3. Are you ok with the extra bloat?

The bloat will be significant, but AIs are good for that. Personally I wouldn't use long esters on a cut. Then again I don't plan on ever using long esters bc I do mind the water.

[technique88]

I am actually stuck on this same thing for my next injectable. I really don't want to pin everyday and I like the ideas of 12 week cycles to really solidify gains. If you do decide to run tren e for your first time I came up with this solution,

Since we don't know how we will react to tren, the ace ester is nice because it will clear in 2-3
Days so if sides are bad then it will only sick so a Hirt period of time.

Wit tren e, I'm guess the standard it 499mg a week for 12 weeks. I suggest to run it at only 200mg for the first 4 weeks and as you start to establish stable blood levels and feel this steroid bump it up to 400mg theoretically weeks 5-12.

This is what I plan on doing along with running some proviron or winny for DHT to help keep tren sides at bay.

[xerbia]

Cycle will be 12 weeks test, 10 weeks tren, and 6 weeks var. will the bloat really be THAT bad using longer esters?

[vassille]

what diet are you going to use?

[xerbia]

No specific diet, just lowering my calories starting with carbs

[vassille]

you should be fine then.

[xerbia]

Hmm now I'm thinking about just running a more simple cycle.

I'm thinking:
Test-e 500 mg per week- weeks 1-10
Test-p 100 mg EOD- weeks 10-13
D-plex 100 mg ED- weeks 9-13

I'll save the tren and var for later, what do you guys think?

[hardwork25]

Why d-plex ? Why prop at the end?

[xerbia]

Well I wanna throw in the prop, and take out the e so I can pct faster instead of having to wait. D-plex I'm throwing in just because I have a bottle and I've heard it's decent at hardening you up. I'm going to buy some tren ace to throw in with the prop to evaluate my sides, and use my tren e at a later time along with the var I have.

[hardwork25]

Well I wanna throw in the prop, and take out the e so I can pct faster instead of having to wait. D-plex I'm throwing in just because I have a bottle and I've heard it's decent at hardening you up. I'm going to buy some tren ace to throw in with the prop to evaluate my sides, and use my tren e at a later time along with the var I have.

I've never ran prop at the end for that reason so
you'd have to ask some of these guys that would know better than me. It might be tough to do it
just for the simple fact of keeping your bloods consistent. As far as d-plex I've never used it.

[vassille]

If you just want to run long esters then do that. Adding prop at the end wont really do much for you. IMO, it is more important to lower dosages of the long esters going into PCT than messing around with prop. There are other hormones which when lowering the test to a HRT level for few weeks will help a great deal.
So, let's say week 1-10 is the cycle (test e @500mg), then week 11-13 weeks run 150mg of test a week split in 2 doses(75/75). Then PCT

As for tren...Just use it when you ready.
Test prop/tren ace/mast is the single best stack to cut on. If you never did tren dont bother with tren enan till you try the ace. If you did deca then you will be ok on tren. Some ppl go grazy on tren no joke so take it easy at first. start with 50mg ED and see how it goes. Make sure you take caber with it and dont go more than 6 weeks on tren ace. After that sides start to become a pain in the butt

[hardwork25]

If you just want to run long esters then do that. Adding prop at the end wont really do much for you. IMO, it is more important to lower dosages of the long esters going into PCT than messing around with prop. There are other hormones which when lowering the test to a HRT level for few weeks will help a great deal.
So, let's say week 1-10 is the cycle (test e @500mg), then week 11-13 weeks run 150mg of test a week split in 2 doses(75/75). Then PCT

As for tren...Just use it when you ready.
Test prop/tren ace/mast is the single best stack to cut on. If you never did tren dont bother with tren enan till you try the ace. If you did deca then you will be ok on tren. Some ppl go grazy on tren no joke so take it easy at first. start with 50mg ED and see how it goes. Make sure you take caber with it and dont go more than 6 weeks on tren ace. After that sides start to become a pain in the butt

Agreed. What you want to so seems a little complicated trying to time everything and test out tren. I always apply the KISS theory.

[xerbia]

Maybe for a cut this summer I'll use test-e weeks 1-12. Tren ace weeks 5-12 and the dplex weeks 1-4

[vassille]

Maybe for a cut this summer I'll use test-e weeks 1-12. Tren ace weeks 5-12 and the dplex weeks 1-4

That will work but I would extend the test by itself for another month after the tren is stopped at low dose around 150-200mg a week. You will thank me later lol
If you stop everything after week 12 you are going to be miserable

[xerbia]

Why's that? What about the guys who run prop and tren for 10 weeks then drop both and run pct?

[hardwork25]

Why's that? What about the guys who run prop and tren for 10 weeks then drop both and run pct?

I think it is helpful in recovery to run the test 4 weeks longer then the tren just to let the 19 nor clear your system more...its alot easier to recover from test.

[vassille]

I think it is helpful in recovery to run the test 4 weeks longer then the tren just to let the 19 nor clear your system more...its alot easier to recover from test.

You catching on quickly. That is correct.
Unfortunate thing about 19 nor it can act up 6 months to 1 year after taking it but it's most pronounced the month after stoping it.

[vassille]

Why's that? What about the guys who run prop and tren for 10 weeks then drop both and run pct?

You dont want to be like "the other guys", do this the right way.