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    First AAS cycle, perpetration stages plz critique


    Hello bros,

    Background :

    31yr old
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    Lifting since H.S. seriously again for last two years. I will actually competing in my first physique show this may! Then I plan on running my first cycle. I've read up quite a bit on this over the
    Last year but still may need to learn more. I'm not that smartest guy when it comes to this stuff, it gets confusing to me sometimes tbh. Anyway here's the plan so far:

    Test E @ 500/week pins on mon/fri 14-16 weeks not sure yet
    Possibly a 4week dbol kickstart @ 25 ed

    Cycle support:

    AI exemestane 12.5 ed
    Cel cycle assist
    Taurine if needed
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    Aegius or tudca (maybe someone could enlighten me on this)
    HCGenererate all the way through
    Hawthorne berry

    PCT
    Nolva 40/20/20/10
    Clomid 100//50/50/25 (not sure on this)
    DAA(pbold or TFC-1)
    HCGenerate
    Anabeta

    I was also thinking of running Masterone as I have access to it, but since it's my first run prolly won't.

    Feel free to pick this apart as I'm here to learn always. I'm open to suggestions as well.

    Thanks

    Diet/training will be in check as I'll probably be running this with the guidance of my coach who is a NPC judge/competitor.

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    *preparation stages. On phone sorry for spelling error.

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    You prolly don't need the clomid along with nolvadex. And I would just run the nolva at 20/20/10/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by artvandalay
    You prolly don't need the clomid along with nolvadex. And I would just run the nolva at 20/20/10/10
    He's right about not running both, you probably won't need to. I would take clomid over nolva anyday...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damorgs

    He's right about not running both, you probably won't need to. I would take clomid over nolva anyday...
    Okay ill consider this. Thanks guys. Can you elaborate more on the clomid over nolva a bit more? I'm just trying to learn and I know everyone is different in regards to how how they respond. I was just under the understanding that both would help speed up recovery. Also have read a lot of peeps advise taking torem over both. Thoughts?
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    Pins will be mom/thurs not Friday. Also I will have some erase/erase pro on hand as well for PCT. thoughts on throwing that in ?
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    Although runnin both can speedy things up a TAD, you'll be exacerbating the stress on your liver. Not worth it IMO, would just run clomid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Pain
    Although runnin both can speedy things up a TAD, you'll be exacerbating the stress on your liver. Not worth it IMO, would just run clomid.
    Thanks makes sense to me. Clomid at 100/50/50/25 ok? Or am I wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Pain
    Although runnin both can speedy things up a TAD, you'll be exacerbating the stress on your liver. Not worth it IMO, would just run clomid.
    How does my clomid dosage look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er

    Okay ill consider this. Thanks guys. Can you elaborate more on the clomid over nolva a bit more? I'm just trying to learn and I know everyone is different in regards to how how they respond. I was just under the understanding that both would help speed up recovery. Also have read a lot of peeps advise taking torem over both. Thoughts?
    Clomid will help restore your balls and reverse atrophy a little better. Nolvadex will help diminish gyno a little better
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    Quote Originally Posted by artvandalay

    Clomid will help restore your balls and reverse atrophy a little better. Nolvadex will help diminish gyno a little better
    Yes, thanks so much, I read that the other day, I guess I just keep finding the sides occurred by some who use clomid as far as being super emotional. I know everyone is different.

    I still am quite a ways from feeling confident about running this so back to reading and searching I go lol.

    Thanks fellas for chiming in, and feel free to chime in more with ideas experiences etc.
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    Lol my man... I'm on clomid as we speak... I'm emotional as ****. Almost broke up with my girlfriend, get butt hurt to things I would usually be able to blow off... It's wild. It's under control as I don't let those emotions out necessarily... But holy god dam is it a roller coaster.

    But who cares its not like it makes you violent or suicidal lol.... The **** works
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    Are you running this after your show in may? If so go all out dude.

    As for cycle supports- your list looks like a grocery list bro. Don't over think it too hard and waste money.
    For cycle support use a AI, liver guard, daily vitamins and maybe joint support.

    For pct use-
    SERM, AI (to stay dry and hard and also boost LH and FSH), cortisol blocker and a test booster maybe something to help block SHGB.

    Don't over think stuff. Cover the basics and focus on diet and lifting.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave
    Are you running this after your show in may? If so go all out dude.

    As for cycle supports- your list looks like a grocery list bro. Don't over think it too hard and waste money.
    For cycle support use a AI, liver guard, daily vitamins and maybe joint support.

    For pct use-
    SERM, AI (to stay dry and hard and also boost LH and FSH), cortisol blocker and a test booster maybe something to help block SHGB.

    Don't over think stuff. Cover the basics and focus on diet and lifting.
    I would like to do that but not sure ill be able to I have a vacation in late July that would interrupt my cycle. So I'm guessing late August ill start hopefully.

    Yes ill go through and take out unneeded items. Just with it being my first cycle I'm a little paranoid and wanted to have everything covered. What's your opinion on running nolva and clomid vs one over the other? Ill be taking tudca the whole way through and a couple months past pct.

    Thanks DD
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    I like Clomid and have always favored it over nolva. I don't get any bad sides from it besides a little bit of emotions (nothing crazy) and elevated lipids obviously. I have ran it up too 200mg ED for a week. It works period.

    Try one then next cycle try the other. I am waiting to use torem it is the only one I haven't tried.

    Dont be paranoid. Take all the necessary precautions like I listed and you will be good. Remember the old school guys didn't have what we have now and they got results...
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave
    I like Clomid and have always favored it over nolva. I don't get any bad sides from it besides a little bit of emotions (nothing crazy) and elevated lipids obviously. I have ran it up too 200mg ED for a week. It works period.

    Try one then next cycle try the other. I am waiting to use torem it is the only one I haven't tried.

    Dont be paranoid. Take all the necessary precautions like I listed and you will be good. Remember the old school guys didn't have what we have now and they got results...
    Thanks bro I really appreciate it. Will do. Ill keep u in the loop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er

    Thanks bro I really appreciate it. Will do. Ill keep u in the loop.
    Ok man. If you got questions just ask. I forgot to add that clomid may treat you different than me. So just try it out for yourself. Buy both if you want and if clomid gives you bad signs switch to try nolva. If you don't use it save it for the next cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave

    Ok man. If you got questions just ask. I forgot to add that clomid may treat you different than me. So just try it out for yourself. Buy both if you want and if clomid gives you bad signs switch to try nolva. If you don't use it save it for the next cycle
    Thanks bro ill be asking I'm sure of it, I love learning bout this stuff.

    I planned on getting both for that reason!

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    Running both nolva and clomid at low dose works better for me. For example:
    Nolva 20/20/20/20
    Clomid 50/50/50/50
    If you have both on hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by themajoriot
    Running both nolva and clomid at low dose works better for me. For example:
    Nolva 20/20/20/20
    Clomid 50/50/50/50
    If you have both on hand
    Any idea on liver effects? Just curious
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    Okay still playing around with this so here's another question,

    Instead of dbol kicker, what u guys think of epi or Hdrol kicker, a little drier I believe and milder??

    I bloat easy and am afraid dbol may be too much? Also a little paranoid of liver stress. Again I'm here to learn thus asking, still researching so if I stated something incorrectly please enlighten me.

    Thanks bros
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er
    Okay still playing around with this so here's another question,

    Instead of dbol kicker, what u guys think of epi or Hdrol kicker, a little drier I believe and milder??

    I bloat easy and am afraid dbol may be too much? Also a little paranoid of liver stress. Again I'm here to learn thus asking, still researching so if I stated something incorrectly please enlighten me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107

    How about 10mg sdrol kicker?
    Was thinking bout this also
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    Epi IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayjay
    Epi IMO.
    That's what I'm leaning towards
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    First AAS cycle, perpetration stages plz critique


    I like tbol as a kicker. It's affects are between dbol and anavar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by themajoriot
    I like tbol as a kicker. It's affects are between dbol and anavar.
    What sorta gains you have with a tbol kick?
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    DON'T LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE SAYING YOU DON'T TAKE NOLVADEX AND CLOMID AT THE SAME TIME DURING A PCT.



    Please research Dr. Scally. Thanks
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    I just started same cycle myself and ive researched a lot about HCGenerate and I will be running it last 4 weeks of cycle to help with faster recovery when you start PCT. it seems that its used mostly on cycle rather than pct.
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    Everything looks good, you've gotten a lot of good advice.

    Nobody said you "don't" take them at the same time, they just said there is no need to.

    Dr. Scally's protocalls are more intended for steroid abuse, not a properly run cycle. With how this cycle is laid out, one serm will be fine honestly. I tend to lean towards clomid for a 1 serm approach, but milder doses of the two combined is ok as well.

    I also had great luck with torem on my last run, just threw a tiny bit of clomid in for a couple weeks to really get the boys going again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    Everything looks good, you've gotten a lot of good advice.

    Nobody said you "don't" take them at the same time, they just said there is no need to.

    Dr. Scally's protocalls are more intended for steroid abuse, not a properly run cycle. With how this cycle is laid out, one serm will be fine honestly. I tend to lean towards clomid for a 1 serm approach, but milder doses of the two combined is ok as well.

    I also had great luck with torem on my last run, just threw a tiny bit of clomid in for a couple weeks to really get the boys going again.
    I found that torem actually brought the boys back fastest.
    Stacking both at a low dosing is acceptable though. I haven't had good results with it but I know a lot do prefer it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    Everything looks good, you've gotten a lot of good advice.

    Nobody said you "don't" take them at the same time, they just said there is no need to.

    Dr. Scally's protocalls are more intended for steroid abuse, not a properly run cycle. With how this cycle is laid out, one serm will be fine honestly. I tend to lean towards clomid for a 1 serm approach, but milder doses of the two combined is ok as well.

    I also had great luck with torem on my last run, just threw a tiny bit of clomid in for a couple weeks to really get the boys going again.
    Thanks for looking over guys. I've been reading up on torem actually and like what I hear. I just haven't found many who take it on hear mostly just the combo of the two or one or the other. (Nolva & clomid). I really was leaning towards clomid but the stories of dudes crying over little things and other emotional sides kind of turn me off. But I guess it's only a few weeks so who knows.

    I'm still reading and researching until I feel confident about my understanding. Hopefully by the fall ill be ready to join this side! Lol
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    Torem is awesome. If I didn't have an interaction with my Effexor (didn't hurt me, being cautious though) I would continue with it as my go-to SERM. Great for my gyno and my boys were back and happy in the first day or two. And I wanted to hump everything.
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    I wouldnŽt run TEST for that long... 12 weeks is a sound period.. anything over that and your receptor will probably be dull by then.

    Also, NOTHING gets my balls back up and running as clomid does. IŽd run clomid and ERASE for PCT. (erase mostly for the cortisol control).

    Avoid using too many supplements that target aromatase such as anontest.. CLOMID is a SERM for a reson you dont want to kill your estrogen completly, plus you may have some competition for aromatase rather than a synergetic action from all the AIs ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayjay View Post
    Torem is awesome. If I didn't have an interaction with my Effexor (didn't hurt me, being cautious though) I would continue with it as my go-to SERM. Great for my gyno and my boys were back and happy in the first day or two. And I wanted to hump everything.
    That's what I keep reading. Thanks for ur input!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Any idea on liver effects? Just curious
    at the described dose liver affects are minimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j05441 View Post
    What sorta gains you have with a tbol kick?
    Depends on the person but I have experienced less bloat and similar strength gains as dbol with tbol. I get extreme pumps, almost painful, from dbol at 50 mgs per day. With tbol not so much. Pumps are good but if they are too bad it affects my workout negatively.
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    You want a kicker man? Try 20-25mg of anadrol and blast 100mg TNE 30 minutes before lifting. Greatest pump you will ever get...
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave
    You want a kicker man? Try 20-25mg of anadrol and blast 100mg TNE 30 minutes before lifting. Greatest pump you will ever get...
    I'd stack that with twice cooked pork with extra napa....
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