Best PH on the market right now?
- 11-27-2012, 11:43 PM
- 11-28-2012, 12:08 AM
Do a 6 week run of some sort of Epi with sensible PCT and see how it goes. You can plan your next run after that.Training around a jacked up neck.
- 11-28-2012, 12:12 AM
11-28-2012, 12:29 AM
Can you suggest good ones?Originally Posted by specmike
11-28-2012, 12:32 AM
RPN Havoc, IBE Epistane, LGI Epi-10Originally Posted by nissan_brah
All good options. Personally I would go with any of those. There are plenty out there though, just research which ones may or may not be right for you.
11-28-2012, 01:21 AM
Havoc and epistane are the same right? Thats what i just read at least... I found this, what do tou think about it?Originally Posted by Red9
What supps should I use on cycle ?
ThermoLife Liver Longer : 2 caps/day
Anabolic Innovations Cycle support : 2 scoops/day
Sesamin : 1g / day
Taurine : 2-3g /day
Potassium : More than 1 g/day
Cissus Quadrangularis : 2 g/ day ( Joints ache could be a problem with Havoc/Epistane on cycle)
Why not use GMS, creatine or NO booster on cycle ?
GMS will cause terrible back pumps and no need for pumps on cycle
Creatine : Could cause back pumps also.
NO Booster : Too much pump in the gym arent useful, it will only limit your workout. Pumps from Havoc/Epistane are already crazy anyway.
What is the best PCT for Havoc/Epistane ?
There is no perfect PCT. There is so much debate on this board about it that nobody will ever have the last word on it. I will post a sample of PCT then post a few links about debates on other supps to add.
1) Nolvadex (Tamoxifen citrate) or Fareston (Toremifene Citrate) * :
Week 1 : 40 mg (Tamoxifen citrate) or 120 mg or 120 mg for 4 days then 90 mg(Toremifene Citrate)
Week 2 : 40 mg (Tamoxifen citrate) or 90 mg (Toremifene Citrate)
Week 3 : 20 mg (Tamoxifen citrate) or 60 mg (Toremifene Citrate)
Week 4 : 20 mg (Tamoxifen citrate) or 30 mg (Toremifene Citrate)
2) ThermoLife Ebol
Week 1 : 6 caps
Week 2 : 6 caps
Week 3 : 6 caps
Week 4 : 6 caps
3) Designer Supplements Lean Extreme or SNS Reduce XT
Week 1 : 3 caps
Week 2 : 3 caps
Week 3 : 3 caps
Week 4 : 3 caps
4) Basic supps like BCAA,Whey, BA, CM and Creatine
5) Anabolic Innovation Cycle support
Week 1 : 1 Scoop
Week 2 : 1 Scoop
Week 3 : 1 Scoop
Week 4 : 1 Scoop
11-28-2012, 01:31 AM
Havoc is just an Epi clone, so the answer is yes. They will all be Epithio compunds.
I don't know what a couple of those supps are, but if you want an example of a sample Epi cycle and pct, you can look at mine...Here is the name of it, and type it exactly like this or it may not come up.
YoungsterZ Epi Log
11-28-2012, 02:01 AM
I would always trust EVERYTHING from Antaeus Labs
11-28-2012, 02:57 AM
Thanks alot man will look nowOriginally Posted by Red9
11-28-2012, 12:19 PM
Best for what?
Gains vs Sides
It is a little vague and answers very subjective.
For me gains vs sides ProMag clones and Mecha represent the best bet.
All out size you still struggle to beat M1T.
Lean mass gains SD is still king and then stacked with trendione/trenavar is really nice
Cutting Epi is solid, MDien great.
Whats the goal?
11-28-2012, 04:19 PM
Im mainly after gains, going on an all out bulkOriginally Posted by JW390898
11-28-2012, 04:38 PM
Conventional wisdom around here is to not go apeship on your first cycle. Some form of Epi is a very common recommendation. I have seen some recommendations of stacking with another non methylated compound but I don't recall if that is a good idea for a first cycle. Best thing is to do it smart and not get impatient meaning be a bit conservative your first time out.
Training around a jacked up neck.
11-28-2012, 04:45 PM
Good advice right here.Originally Posted by specmike
No, I wouldn't stack the PH with anything your first run. You wanna see how your body handles the prohormone solo, before you start adding to it. Epi is a great first PH though.
11-29-2012, 02:23 AM
Im planning on doing as you did on your log but not at such a high dose.... I wish this was easier to figure out lolOriginally Posted by Red9
11-29-2012, 02:26 AM
What dosing do you plan on using and for what length of time?Originally Posted by nissan_brah
11-29-2012, 02:30 AM
I was thinking 6 weeks, not exactly sure of the dosing i should use i think someone said 20 a week?Originally Posted by Red9
11-29-2012, 02:41 AM
6 weeks is good IMO, maybe consider 5.. Either way I think you're fine.Originally Posted by nissan_brah
Lol and a definite NO on 20mg...that's way too low and won't even be worth it. Run it 30 minimum every day. Here's a couple plans I suggest:
Any of those are appropriate for 1st cycle in my opinion. Keep in mind, the slashes seperate weeks. So for example, if you do 30mg the first week, start 10mg first day, 20mg 2nd day, 30mg 3rd day, and finish the week at 30mg. If second week is 40mg, take 40mg every day. Best way to do it is take your biggest dose pre-workout. Ex.) At 40mg take 10mg upon awakening, 20mg one hour pre-w/o, and the last 10mg in the evening. Or however your sleep/gym schedule goes. Incorporate it accordingly.
11-29-2012, 03:09 AM
Those plans look better... So in the end how wer ur results? Was it worth it? I know u wer held back a little too.... But all in all is it a good choice?Originally Posted by Red9
11-29-2012, 06:54 AM
11-30-2012, 09:53 PM
I am on day 16 of Havoc at 40. Gains are slowly starting to show along with strength. Hopefully week 3 will be better because so far not worth the sides.
11-30-2012, 11:09 PM
What sides you having?Originally Posted by Edog805
11-30-2012, 11:21 PM
Some major headaches at first however they slowed down after mixing in cycle assist. Increasing my water intake also seemed to help.
12-01-2012, 08:01 PM
12-01-2012, 08:18 PM
I havent tried mechabol but its getting good reviews, my personal favorite is still H-drol.
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12-01-2012, 10:01 PM
12-01-2012, 10:08 PM
Why all the havoc/epi and no sdrol/hdrol?
12-01-2012, 11:46 PM
12-01-2012, 11:48 PM
12-03-2012, 12:05 AM
Im on day 7 of an Epi cycle, my first PH cycle as well. I started of 10/20/30 the first 3 days, and have been at 30 the other 4. i love how it makes me feel at 10/day, but at 30 i get some pretty bad anxiety, and headaches, hoping they subside and maybe i can get up to 40.
12-03-2012, 12:21 AM
12-03-2012, 01:38 AM
Ran mecha at 150 mg/ed --- no sides just full muscles and good mood.-Matt
12-03-2012, 02:36 AM
Is that something a begginer can do?Originally Posted by MattPorter
12-03-2012, 02:59 AM
You can always run SD at a low dose. My first cycle was SD at 10mg for 4 weeks. I gained around 8-10 pounds lifts went up very nicely. No sides at all. Also i was on a ****ty diet and workjng 18 hours a day over 100 drgrees on tge flightdeck everyday. Sucks bring on drployment for 6 montgs.
12-05-2012, 02:02 PM
12-05-2012, 02:26 PM
ultra should be good to. mecha is on the list. i have enuff sd stock. i dont have to wry for a few more cycles
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12-05-2012, 02:32 PM
Dmz+mlmg is good for size. Get something to control prolactin tho
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