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    Suicide Inhibiter vs Nolva


    I understand that while on any test cycle the body converts the test to estrogen, hence the need for some estrogen supressers. But I also understand that the body actually needs some estrogen to help the AAS be more anabolic. So my question is, should I use a Nolva or suicide inhibiter for estrogen supressers?
    If I'm all wet on my assumptions please say so; but be polite.



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    They're a completely different class on ancillary. Nolva is a SERM and one is a specific kind of AI. Also, it is individualized as far as the need, if any, for estrogen modulation.

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    Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    They're a completely different class on ancillary. Nolva is a SERM and one is a specific kind of AI. Also, it is individualized as far as the need, if any, for estrogen modulation.
    So which is better for on cycle modulation? I want to make gains but not at the expense of being too shut down sexually. If I'm on Test libido shouldnt be a problem unless my estrogen is too high.

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    Apples and oranges man. Do a bit more reading.

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    Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    So which is better for on cycle modulation? I want to make gains but not at the expense of being too shut down sexually. If I'm on Test libido shouldnt be a problem unless my estrogen is too high.
    These are very very basic questions. You have a lot of research to do. No one who knows what they're doing uses nolva during the cycle unless they develop gyno or are running anadrol (direct binding to estrogen receptor in breasts). If your libido is crap on a test cycle, usuallyestro is either too high or too low and your gains will be hindered; there is no trade off between low libido for better gains or vice versa. Libido can be a problem if estro is too low as well.

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    Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    So which is better for on cycle modulation? I want to make gains but not at the expense of being too shut down sexually. If I'm on Test libido shouldnt be a problem unless my estrogen is too high.
    If you have no libido while using wither of them, you either got fake product or are dosing them way too high.

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    Originally Posted by jt339 View Post
    These are very very basic questions. You have a lot of research to do. No one who knows what they're doing uses nolva during the cycle unless they develop gyno or are running anadrol (direct binding to estrogen receptor in breasts). If your libido is crap on a test cycle, usuallyestro is either too high or too low and your gains will be hindered; there is no trade off between low libido for better gains or vice versa. Libido can be a problem if estro is too low as well.
    I was on a cycle where i was doing test:deca at 2:1, but later in the cycle stacked with anadrol and I was on nolva. But I did not know that low estrogen can cause libido problems. I guess I have to do blood work for estrogen as well? My blood work for test and prolactin is coming in on Friday; but if what youre saying is right, I will still need to know what my estrogen is.

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    Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    If you have no libido while using wither of them, you either got fake product or are dosing them way too high.
    Actually, i was using nolva while on a test:deca 2:1 cycle, later stacking with anadrol; but I was told that unless I want to look like a women I need to stop the nolva. So I did. I did the suicide inhibiter soon after but after about a week dropped it. My libido is ok (not great) while on until the very end of my 15 week cycle and then ofcourse during the first 3-4 weeks of PCT it's really down.

    I've been off gear now for 6 1/2 weeks and have been off PCT for 2 1/2 weeks and only about 4 days ago felt 99% back with my libido. I took blood work on Monday and will get results Friday. I will keep you posted.

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    Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Actually, i was using nolva while on a test:deca 2:1 cycle, later stacking with anadrol; but I was told that unless I want to look like a women I need to stop the nolva. So I did. I did the suicide inhibiter soon after but after about a week dropped it. My libido is ok (not great) while on until the very end of my 15 week cycle and then ofcourse during the first 3-4 weeks of PCT it's really down.

    I've been off gear now for 6 1/2 weeks and have been off PCT for 2 1/2 weeks and only about 4 days ago felt 99% back with my libido. I took blood work on Monday and will get results Friday. I will keep you posted.
    Whoever told you that was very, very wrong. Also, it seems like you have some confusion about AIs as they are not all the same. A suicidal inhibitor is a specific class of AI (e.g. Exemestane, Erase) and not all AI's are suicidal (e.g. Letro, Arimidex). The benefit of the suicidal inhibitor is that they do not need to be tapered since they permanently bind to the aromatase enzyme. From the sound of it, you dosed the AI (whichever one you took) too high and it lowered you libido since it lowered your E2 too much.

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    Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Actually, i was using nolva while on a test:deca 2:1 cycle, later stacking with anadrol; but I was told that unless I want to look like a women I need to stop the nolva. So I did. I did the suicide inhibiter soon after but after about a week dropped it. My libido is ok (not great) while on until the very end of my 15 week cycle and then ofcourse during the first 3-4 weeks of PCT it's really down.

    I've been off gear now for 6 1/2 weeks and have been off PCT for 2 1/2 weeks and only about 4 days ago felt 99% back with my libido. I took blood work on Monday and will get results Friday. I will keep you posted.
    What was the layout of your cycle?

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    Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Whoever told you that was very, very wrong. Also, it seems like you have some confusion about AIs as they are not all the same. A suicidal inhibitor is a specific class of AI (e.g. Exemestane, Erase) and not all AI's are suicidal (e.g. Letro, Arimidex). The benefit of the suicidal inhibitor is that they do not need to be tapered since they permanently bind to the aromatase enzyme. From the sound of it, you dosed the AI (whichever one you took) too high and it lowered you libido since it lowered your E2 too much.
    Well, I took Forma Stanzol as the suicide inhibiter. So youre saying that instead of nolva I should have done the Forma Stanzol but I probably over dosed on it?

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    Originally Posted by jt339 View Post
    What was the layout of your cycle?
    I have to get the specifics later. I dont have it on me; but basically I started with 2:1 Testeca 22ccs;1cc twice per week, then in week three layered in Dbol (can't remember dose off hand), then in week 6 went stacked with Anadrol and week 9 stacked anavar (keeping in mind I tapered and then stopped dbol and anadrol). I rotated my test between all three tests, e, cyp and sust. I was supposed to be taking nolva the whole time but someone told me not to because it would turn me into a woman with a bikini. Sometime during the 8th or 9th I did some Cabergoline and the Forma Stanzol.

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    Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Well, I took Forma Stanzol as the suicide inhibiter. So youre saying that instead of nolva I should have done the Forma Stanzol but I probably over dosed on it?
    Without knowing specifics of the cycle, it's hard to say, but...

    Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    I have to get the specifics later. I dont have it on me; but basically I started with 2:1 Testeca 22ccs;1cc twice per week, then in week three layered in Dbol (can't remember dose off hand), then in week 6 went stacked with Anadrol and week 9 stacked anavar (keeping in mind I tapered and then stopped dbol and anadrol). I rotated my test between all three tests, e, cyp and sust. I was supposed to be taking nolva the whole time but someone told me not to because it would turn me into a woman with a bikini. Sometime during the 8th or 9th I did some Cabergoline and the Forma Stanzol.
    Gauging off of this, it was not a well organized and thought-out cycle.

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    Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Without knowing specifics of the cycle, it's hard to say, but...



    Gauging off of this, it was not a well organized and thought-out cycle.
    Any suggestions for my next cycle?

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    Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Any suggestions for my next cycle?
    Plan it out better, stick to one ester of test, and don't use 5 freaking anabolics in a short time.

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    Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Plan it out better, stick to one ester of test, and don't use 5 freaking anabolics in a short time.
    What about estrogen modulador? And how do you feel about Cabergoline? By the way, thank you for the help.

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    Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    What about estrogen modulador? And how do you feel about Cabergoline? By the way, thank you for the help.
    Cab is for prolactin side effects from 19-nor compounds (e.g. Deca, Tren) and won't help with E2.

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    Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Cab is for prolactin side effects from 19-nor compounds (e.g. Deca, Tren) and won't help with E2.
    Right, and I plan I doing 2:1 Testeca so I will need caber, but what would help with E2?

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    Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Right, and I plan I doing 2:1 Testeca so I will need caber, but what would help with E2?
    How do you know you'll need Cab or even an AI for that matter?

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    Honestly man do some research before your next cycle. Some major errors there...and do NOT believe anything from that source who told u take nolva with 19-nor, 3-4 different esters of test etc.

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