3rd Cycle: Test, Deca, HcG, CJC-1295 and GHRP-6
- 11-09-2012, 05:40 PM
3rd Cycle: Test, Deca, HcG, CJC-1295 and GHRP-6
Long time reader (over a year) and first time poster. I have a lot of respect for the guys on this forum and I thought I'd go public with my cycle and goals for your feedback.
This is my 3rd "cycle", however I consider it my first REAL cycle. My first pro hormone cycle was Tri-methyl xtreme (Superdrol clone + Epi + Max LMG) which gave me almost 18lbs of gains in 5 weeks; but I was dumb and didn't know anything about PCT so for the next few weeks that followed I lost about 50% of my gains and felt super lethargic, barely any sex drive. Got my "pills" from some bro who didn't educate me much. I was desperate, at 5'11 weighing only 165.
During my second cycle I had already started reading. I did the Tri-methyl again for 4 weeks plus 250gm of test enanthate for 10 weeks and I had "PCT" which was just OTC Post Cycle II by Powerlabs. Well my gains weren't that great, 6 or 7 lbs at the most, but I struggled to keep it on.
I now weigh a maintainable 178.
So for the last 6 months, I've been reading everything there is to read on this site and I'd like to think I'm smarter. So I've taken the time to develop a true cycle based on the knowledge I've obtained to see if I can get some bro-help on my gaps. I'm a nerd by trade, I organize and keep numbers, and you BET I will keep a steady log with pictures if you guys are willing to help.
I want to achieve a 190-195 lean physique post cycle.
Here's the plan:
Test: 200mg 2x per week for 12 weeks
Deca: 200mg 2x per week for 10 weeks
hCG: 250 iu 2x per week for 12 weeks
Arimidex: unsure of dosage/frequency
CJC-1295 no DAC (mod grf1-29): 50mcg 2x per day (morning 30 minutes before food, night post work out/before bed) for 16 weeks (pre load)
GHRP-6: 100mcg 2x per day (morning 30 minutes before food, night post work out/before bed) for 16 weeks (pre load)
PCT: (need some help here I think)
Clomid or Nolvadex? can't tell which is better.
No Xplode pre-workout, Multi-vitamin (animal pak), and blend of protein (whey throughout the day and post workout, casein before bed), cycle assist
Lastly: Should I include the Tri-methyl Xtreme in this cycle too, or do I have enough? I have two extra bottles at home that I had bought and I'm not sure if I should use them or sell them.
My eating is meticulous: I cook at home and plan my meals ahead of time, 4,000 calories a day and 200 grams of protein a day is not an issue.
I can work out 3-4 days a week no problem, and I sleep 7-8 hours a day. I do not drink alcohol on cycle.
Looking to bulk up and keep the muscle when I'm done. My metabolism is so damn fast that if I eat less than 2,000 calories a day I'll lose 5 lbs in a week.
Thanks for the tips, brosefs!
- 11-13-2012, 05:29 PM
2) I don't really know much about bromo or caber, so I'll do my research on that. Any additional information on what it's helpful for?
3) Can anyone else comment on the best dosage for Test + Deca together? I know about Deca dick -- within 24 hours of 1ml of Deca injection and natural test production drops to zero -- but does it kill the test you have also, or does running with any amount of Test suffice?
- 11-13-2012, 05:50 PM
"cabergoline can cause grief with heart valves - NO WAY MAN! Bromocriptine has a lot of uncomfortable effects (nausea and orthostatic hypotension being big ones); possibly less pertient with short-acting forms. Plus, you could see lowering of blood sugar which will lower inert insulin levels and could at least hypothetically-speaking make SHBG levels increase...WTF! Now what? "
I guess I just want to understand the benefits considering the risk....
11-15-2012, 06:55 AM
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11-21-2012, 01:58 PM
Now I hear a lot about fish oil, but can someone help me understand what it's good for?
Thanks again everyine.
11-21-2012, 02:28 PM
Yeah bro I would up ur test. Like someone posted already needs to b a bit higher than decca. I'm startting my cycle at 500 test and midway gunna up to 750. Other than that I think u got the majors covered. Good luck!
11-21-2012, 07:09 PM
Check the N.O.Xplode and see how much creatine it has. You'll want to take in 5g per day, so if the N.O.X isn't up to 5g you can add a little extra to get there.
11-26-2012, 03:35 PM
Anyone have any feedback on the peptide end of things? I'd like to think I've done a considerable amount of research and I'm taking a conservative approach to coax my body into increasing its own GH production but I'm open to hearing other people's experience.
11-26-2012, 08:43 PM
You run Bromo, caber or prami to control prolactin whilst cycling 19nor compounds. Usually you only start taking them once prolactin related sides occur as they do have side effects of their own. If I was you since you've run low dose test in the past why not run a higher dose of test? 5-600mg per week.Originally Posted by killervick7
How would you know what compound is causing sides if you haven't run them? If you start to develop gyno for example how would you know whether it's estrogen related or prolactin related?? At least if you've run test at 500mg a week then you know how your body reacts to supraphysiological amounts of test, then next cycle put deca in and if you start to develop sides then you know what's causing them.
11-26-2012, 09:45 PM
11-27-2012, 12:48 PM
And just when I think that I've done all my homework and have all my ducks in a row, I get a curve ball and realize I have so much more to learn.
I guess I'm not really familiar with prolactin side effects, is that a result of the Deca? Whereas estrogen is the side of test? So what you're saying is that I'm better off increasing my dose of test to 500-600mg per week without deca to see how I respond?
Well I do know that above 300mg, I start to experience some mild gyno, but I guess that's what the arimidex is for. One time when I ran superdrol and test together, I experienced some shedding, even though everything seems normal now. A buddy on here told me that the superdrol is very harsh and probably the reason I was shedding.
Do you think I would experience any shedding on an increased dose of test?
Thanks for the tips guys, this is really good, I'm taking notes.
11-27-2012, 05:38 PM
Yeah prolactin sides come with deca ( nandrolone ) and tren. And an increase in estrogen is a result of test aromatising. I'd suggest running a higher dose test cycle. That way you know how your body reacts to the higher test then you can add a compound to your next run and so on. If you did have your heart set on running deca run it at a low dose. 300mg should give you the joint lubricating benefits and also the anabolic effect without causing any sides.Originally Posted by pisces.style
If your prone to gyno have armidex or aromasin on cycle with letro as a backup incase it flares up.
Yeah SD is a very liver toxic compound. What do you mean by shedding??
11-28-2012, 01:11 PM
As for shedding: I was literally losing hair in the shower. I still have a full head of hair, but every time I showered, it just seemed like clumps of hair would come out in my hand, I had to unclog my drain at least once a week. Since then, the shedding has stopped, I never have to unclog my drain anymore, and my head feels thick again. It sucks because I felt an amazing strength increase on the superdrol, but my girlfriend loves my hair and doesn't care about my muscles, so it's not exactly an even trade off.
11-28-2012, 02:18 PM
Like I said man it's your decision if you want to do it then do it. With 500mg test and 300mg deca you'll have fantastic results. The norm for time between cycles is time on = time off plus pct. But if you want to jump back on earlier get some bloodwork done to make sure everything's back where it should be.Originally Posted by pisces.style
Ah shedding yes unfortunately that is a side effect of steroid use. There's a good sticky about hair loss on one of the forums on here can't remember which one but it was a good read.
11-29-2012, 12:48 PM
I think I'll stick to my schedule and start my cycle in march then, I don't like to rush into things before I've completely bounced back from a cycle.
As of right now I'm still making considerable progress in the gym naturally and I'd really prefer to use the gear again only when I reach a plateau, which I haven't hit at the moment. I'll do the 500mg of test and 300mg of deca per your suggestion. What's your take on the peptides? I'm finding conflicting information between guys that swear by them and others that consider it totally bunk. I'm leaning toward not messing with peptides and instead just focus on the best diet possible.
What's your experience with cycles? Have you ever done a prop or a prop+enan cycle? I was wondering about kick starting my enanthate cycle with 2 weeks of prop. Ah, I just want to try so many things!
11-29-2012, 01:59 PM
I've only run one cycle personally, I only just got approval from the girl to do my second one lol. If your making natty gains in the gym I'd wait until you plateau.Originally Posted by pisces.style
I've also heard mixed reports in peptides. Some people swear by them and others say they don't do much. Only one way to find out lol!
Kickstarting with prop is a great idea. You'll get stable levels a lot quicker. It's the same principle as an oral kickstart where you'll be running off the prop until your enanthate levels stabalise.
Haha I know the feeling man! There's always your next cycle... And the one after that!
11-29-2012, 03:50 PM
Well let me know when you get going on your next cycle man. I'll be preparing for mine. I get obsessive about planning and line up all the supplements, vitamins, gear, food, and workout schedule ahead of time. ::nerd::
Thanks for all the help!
11-30-2012, 02:10 AM
Yeah man we gotta keep them happy lol! My girl hates me cycling but she begrudgingly supports me lol.Originally Posted by pisces.style
I'm looking at march for my cycle. Need to finish stripping this fat off me first lol.
I'm one for preparation too man. IMO a poorly planned cycle is set for failure.
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