Trenazone or Trenavar on my winter bulker

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    Trenazone or Trenavar on my winter bulker


    Hey guys, it's bulking season and I've been on cycle for 5 weeks. I'm running a 12 weeker and was wondering if trenazone or trenavar would be better for the past 6 weeks. I was on trenazone for a week before but had to abort my cycle completely as a result of family problems getting out of hand. I experienced some insane night sweats, and accordion dick.

    So which would be better. Trenazone or trenavar?
    I started this cycle at 169 pounds and am currently at 181 in the morning going for 190-195 at the end of 12 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekofstarsx View Post
    Hey guys, it's bulking season and I've been on cycle for 5 weeks. I'm running a 12 weeker and was wondering if trenazone or trenavar would be better for the past 6 weeks. I was on trenazone for a week before but had to abort my cycle completely as a result of family problems getting out of hand. I experienced some insane night sweats, and accordion dick.

    So which would be better. Trenazone or trenavar?
    I started this cycle at 169 pounds and am currently at 181 in the morning going for 190-195 at the end of 12 weeks.
    Trenavar seems to be hit or miss, so I'd go with Trenazone - at least if you don't have a girlfriend. Scrubbing topical dienolone on her skin would be a bad idea.
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    trenazone is awsomee!! but u gotta stack it with ahigher androgenic compound to negate the limp dick
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    Trenazone for sure. Trenavar dosage needs to be pretty crazy high and can get really expensive.
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    Agree with Trenazone
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    Which did you decide on?
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    Trenazone at 2-2.5ml is awsome. Size and strenght....my vascularity is crazy as well and Im bulking. I cant wait to throw some Trenazone into my cutting cycle in Feb with some hdrol or Mech and clen.
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    I actually liked trenavar (never used trenazone) and I do agree that it needs to be used with another compound that's adrogenic to keep the libido going...formestane might work as well...test would probably be the best imo.
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    I'm stacking both guys
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    Why not just stick to Trenazone: the reviews speak for themselves and you would give your liver a break

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    btw if one compares dienolone (trenazone) and pro-dienolone (x-tren and similar products, which arent available anymore in the US) what would you think are the pros and cons of the two? i heard the pro-dienolone is a bit liver toxic though not methylated? which one would be more effective as a mass builder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    btw if one compares dienolone (trenazone) and pro-dienolone (x-tren and similar products, which arent available anymore in the US) what would you think are the pros and cons of the two? i heard the pro-dienolone is a bit liver toxic though not methylated? which one would be more effective as a mass builder?
    Should be very similiar in effects.
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    the thing is im from europe and here you can get the pro-dienolone products without problems and for us they are much cheaper than the topical dienolone...i know things are different in the us. tranzone isnt liver toxic, but pro-tren is?
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    I don't think any of the tren products are liver toxic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    the thing is im from europe and here you can get the pro-dienolone products without problems and for us they are much cheaper than the topical dienolone...i know things are different in the us. tranzone isnt liver toxic, but pro-tren is?
    Trenazone is not liver toxic. The pro-dien should not be either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Trenazone is not liver toxic. The pro-dien should not be either.
    There is many bloodworks showing that pro-dien actually is liver toxic. Not as harsh as SD but more like Havoc or H-Drol.
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    what i dont understand is when dienolone is suppposed not to be liver toxic why should its prohormone then be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    what i dont understand is when dienolone is suppposed not to be liver toxic why should its prohormone then be?
    Different delivery method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g0hardorgohom View Post
    There is many bloodworks showing that pro-dien actually is liver toxic. Not as harsh as SD but more like Havoc or H-Drol.
    I doubt it's as bad as epistane or hdrol, but either way it's not on the market right now. Trenazone is definitely good to go.
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