Are AMS kit really this underdosed??

[SixandaHalf]

So I'm getting into week 5 of 1-ad and 4-ad @ 3 ED (Decavol added 2 weeks ago @ 2 ED) and I must say I have noticed very minimal effects. I did have to take a 4 day break (lost 1 lbs) last week (probably the hot spot for gains it seems) due to some emergency dental work but did not change my dosing amounts. Maybe this week will be the week I see some strength increases but thus far I have only gained about <1 lbs per week (which I could do naturally with a bit of fat gain) and honestly NO real strength gains to note. I had some acne flare ups and raised libido in weeks 2-3 but that's it. This is my first cycle and I was pretty damn excited after gaining 30 lbs naturally over the last 2.5 years.

Should I bump it to 4 ED or just see how week 5 goes? I offset the 4-ad to start a week after I started 1-ad as recommended so it will be a 7 week cycle overall.

[SixandaHalf]

^^any help would be useful....

[SixandaHalf]

So I guess the "glorified dhea" reviews were correct. Got stronger on Activate X, daa and trizole and got more vascularity from agmatine alone.

Pretty difficult to even get a response about this compound. It would have been great to have someone chime in that it took them 5 weeks but I guess this was a dud cycle and somewhat waste of money. Ill just gain natty at the same rate for a while and then grab some Epi or Hdrol. Now I just want to see ANYTHING after this run. There is still time and I havent given up hope

[lucky04]

Hard to say, I didn't exactly have great results with mine. I tried the AMS Growth Kit, which is 1ad, Deca, 4ad, and had so-so results. My cals were around 3500 @ 165#ish, and hit 170# by the end of PCT with a considerable gain in bodyfat. I only did a 4 week cycle, and put maybe 4 or 5 pounds on. So I would chock it up to just a couple pounds gain. On the other hand I had zero sides...at all. Still did Nolva/daa PCT just in case. I did have similar instances of acne arising when i usually have none. My libido has always been through the roof, so I didn't really notice much difference there. How big are you eating?

My first run of SD i put on 25# for perspective.

[SixandaHalf]

Im eating around 3300 which is around 500 over maint. I have been gaining but nothing more that natty numbers for me. After posting yesterday I did notice a small strength increase but on week 5 on a 1.5x dose Id expect to feel like Im not just feeling placebo.

Actually looking forward to pct bc I feel like I will gain as good or better than this. Not what I was thinking when I started this.

[lucky04]

Yep, I was let down as well. But like I said I had zero sides, so to me, any gains felt like it was natty/placebo. Guess going to wait it off a month and do SD/Stano to make up for it.

[SixandaHalf]

Yea, I'm going to take the 4-ad and 1-ad @ 4 ed and DecaVol @ 3 ed til its gone and hit otc pct. SERM seems way harsher than this, as of now Im leaning otc. Ive had better response to stacked natty products haha. Maybe other people respond better... that would be pretty funny if I got better gains in pct

[jerrysiii]

Yea, I'm going to take the 4-ad and 1-ad @ 4 ed and DecaVol @ 3 ed til its gone and hit otc pct. SERM seems way harsher than this, as of now Im leaning otc. Ive had better response to stacked natty products haha. Maybe other people respond better... that would be pretty funny if I got better gains in pct

These products are very low dose if you're not careful with the sublingual absorption. You need to keep these under your tongue for at least 10 min. I don't know why the directions say otherwise. The dose is way too low to be effective as a straight oral. The compounds do work if dosed correctly, either sublingual or in adequate oral doses (AndroMass etc.).

[SixandaHalf]

The Chrome RDe dissolves super fast. It says hold 30 sec and swallow. They are half gone by 30 sec but I can start dissolving the whole things and see if it helps. Would take a minute or two

[SixandaHalf]

Actually that took a lot longer than I thought. I didnt think you had to completely dissolve them... have you used them this way?

[JD261985]

They have to be dissolved ALL the way always or else you won't absorb the full dose. That's kind of common sense...it should dissolve to a frothy white liquid or less then you swallow

[boogyman]

I responded in your other thread, but I let them dissolve all the way and have been from day 1. Not even sure why I did not follow the directions lol, but it just made more sense to me, as either way its going to make it to your stomach and the longer in your mouth the more chances for absoption.

[SixandaHalf]

I have been dissolving them most of the way but from here on out I will completely dissolve them. You live and you learn. I'm sure swallowing the small amount that I usually had left didn't make that big of a difference considering the directions tell you to swallow after 30 seconds.

Thanks guys

[boogyman]

I have been dissolving them most of the way but from here on out I will completely dissolve them. You live and you learn. I'm sure swallowing the small amount that I usually had left didn't make that big of a difference considering the directions tell you to swallow after 30 seconds.

Thanks guys

I think it must be making a difference. I am up 7 lbs now, I have 2 days left on cycle. Very good strength gains, 20lbs added to bench and squat, 15 to overhead press, and 25 to deadlift (5 rep maxes). Unless your diet is off I would think letting is dissolve is making a difference. Just had a thought, do you space out the products from each other or take them back to back? Asking because I read a few places the products compete with each other, thats why I take them alternating 4 hour intervals.

I am actually think about another run in the winter, dosing the way you are. 3 caps each 1-Ad, 4-AD and Decavol for 6 weeks, using 2 bottles of each. I was gonna go Alphamass/Alphabulk, but since I had such a good run I may stay with what I know for the next cycle.

[SixandaHalf]

Diet has always been pretty good. The last few days have definitely revealed some small straight gains. I have always space them apart from each other at least an hour. At this point I'm taking a double dose and starting to notice some changes. I can be a little drowsy driving home from work sometimes but today I really felt lethargic, almost scared me a few times but snapped out of it. I almost have another week of 1 AD and almost 2 other weeks of the rest so I'm going to try to make it count and hopefully put some more weight on.

[jerrysiii]

The 1-AD can make you lethargic. This is a good sign it is working. For me this is a different feeling than just being tired. It's more like a lack of energy, but goes away once my workout gets going -- maybe because if the pre-workout stims.

[forcefan27]

The AMS kits are solid. Just finished pct of a six week 1a/Deca/4ad run and am up 11 lbs with a little fat gain. Going to do 8 weeks at the end of the holidays. It's not a strong ph, but that the idea for me.

[boogyman]

The AMS kits are solid. Just finished pct of a six week 1a/Deca/4ad run and am up 11 lbs with a little fat gain. Going to do 8 weeks at the end of the holidays. It's not a strong ph, but that the idea for me.

How many of each did you dose? Im gonna try that next and want to do three tabs of each.

[forcefan27]

How many of each did you dose? Im gonna try that next and want to do three tabs of each.

I actually did two tabs of 4ad and two doses of mass drops which is the 1a and Deca together...same thing.

[SuperPro]

I would definitely run 4ad at 4 caps ed. I ran it with SD at the beginning of the cycle I'm in now and then bridged into stano(with one week where I was taking 30mg SD, 800mg 4ad, and 800mg stano). 4ad needs to be dosed high, I think it was effective for what I wanted it for which was to try to keep the SD side effect down, which I think it did since I had weaker sides on SD than on halodrol.