how to remove estrogen related water retention

  1. how to remove estrogen related water retention


    How do you guys remove water retention from estrogen?


  2. I remove estrogen...?

    Get an AI. What are you running right now?
    No SERM, No Cycle, No Problem.

  3. im into week 8 of 16
    M1t 1 - 4
    500mg Test E ramping up to 625mg 1 - 16
    T3 + Clen 12-16

    I have nolva, clom and HCG for pct

    I was thinking about running low dose nolva thinking it may reduce the water. .
    "remember i promised to kill you last
    ... i Lied!"
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  4. No hCG for PCT; that would be counter-productive as it is slightly suppressive in and of itself. I personally use Erase Pro as my on-cycle AI.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  5. No Hcg for pct ? this is the first i have ever heard of this.

    You have anything i could read to back up your claims? i am interested
    "remember i promised to kill you last
    ... i Lied!"

  6. hcg on cycle, not pct imo. I use an AI (either pharma or a good OTC) on cycle.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by BigBalls View Post
    No Hcg for pct ? this is the first i have ever heard of this.

    You have anything i could read to back up your claims? i am interested
    Look into hCG and LH suppression.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  8. Remove estrogen from cycle you say...

    Well do not run testosterone then.. Run trenbolone and call it good.

    You remove the estrogen with letrozole but it will also reap some unhealthy sides.

    You could keep the estrogen sides in check with OTC products like Erase Pro and AndroHard

    -Matt
    Body Problem Mechanic
    National Level Competitor.

    www.mpasupps.com

  9. Aromaisin at 12.5mg.

    Also, HCG will prolong your recovery during PCT, because your body will not start producing LH until the HCG is gone from your system. Use HCG on cycle to stop testicular atrophy, and then stop it before PCT.
    No SERM, No Cycle, No Problem.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by akaVeritaS View Post
    Aromaisin at 12.5mg.

    Also, HCG will prolong your recovery during PCT, because your body will not start producing LH until the HCG is gone from your system. Use HCG on cycle to stop testicular atrophy, and then stop it before PCT.
    Right i see where i have gone wrong.

    Is it possible to start using HCG while on cycle towards the end of your cycle to bring up already atrophied testies, stopping the HCG once the cycle ends then start PCT with Nolva/Clomid

    that sound better?
    "remember i promised to kill you last
    ... i Lied!"

  11. Quote Originally Posted by BigBalls View Post
    Right i see where i have gone wrong.

    Is it possible to start using HCG while on cycle towards the end of your cycle to bring up already atrophied testies, stopping the HCG once the cycle ends then start PCT with Nolva/Clomid

    that sound better?
    Yes.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  12. Man use the HCG just stop it a week prior to starting pct. Its a must! It's not counter productive when your body isn't capable of producing LH on its own. Ask any veteran they will assure you the same. An AI knocks out water weight. Letro works best but look into its rebound effect and plan accordingly. Cycle looks good one day of your interested try dropping the test dose and stack with EQ. It's far less androgenic and it has very little estrogen conversion.
    Cheers

  13. thanks for the advice guys...
    "remember i promised to kill you last
    ... i Lied!"

  14. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter
    Remove estrogen from cycle you say...

    Well do not run testosterone then.. Run trenbolone and call it good.

    You remove the estrogen with letrozole but it will also reap some unhealthy sides.

    You could keep the estrogen sides in check with OTC products like Erase Pro and AndroHard

    -Matt
    Matt,

    Can you explain how AH would help? I am on TRT right now, using erase to help with E2, and would love to use hard instead. If I'm on TRT and shut down, can one stay on AH semi- permanent?
    "Pain is weakness leaving the body"

  15. Quote Originally Posted by alpinecoach View Post
    Matt,

    Can you explain how AH would help? I am on TRT right now, using erase to help with E2, and would love to use hard instead. If I'm on TRT and shut down, can one stay on AH semi- permanent?
    Matt, correct me if I'm wrong.

    AndroHard is two Stano isomers that are in a special delivery system that minimizes supression. Stano is the prohormone to DHT, which is the males naturally produced AI. You could take AH as part of your TRT and enjoy it's benefits, but it will end up being quite expensive. The recommended dose, 6 caps a day, requires one bottle per 28 days. That translates to 13 bottles for a full year, which would run you $1,689.35. There are 25% off coupons that you can get from Matt or the PP Reps, which will bring it down to $1,267.01.

    If you can afford it, I would recommend it.
    No SERM, No Cycle, No Problem.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by alpinecoach View Post
    Matt,Can you explain how AH would help? I am on TRT right now, using erase to help with E2, and would love to use hard instead. If I'm on TRT and shut down, can one stay on AH semi- permanent?
    It will act as a aromatase inhibitor and can occupy estrogen receptors.It will also protect or lessen gyno problems -- http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...23476868059603 softgel a day would last you 2 months --- that could be plenty for your TRT regimen-Matt
    Body Problem Mechanic
    National Level Competitor.

    www.mpasupps.com

  17. Matt - how many AH a day for use with TRT? Would there still be need for arimidex? I'm interested in AH but curios of what benefits I would see using it instead of the one arimidex weekly I'm taking now. Thx

  18. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter
    It will act as a aromatase inhibitor and can occupy estrogen receptors.It will also protect or lessen gyno problems -- http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...23476868059603 softgel a day would last you 2 months --- that could be plenty for your TRT regimen-Matt
    Matt- I'm interested as well. The link doesn't seem to be working.

  19. formeron at a pump a day will do it
    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Remove estrogen from cycle you say...

    Well do not run testosterone then.. Run trenbolone and call it good.

    You remove the estrogen with letrozole but it will also reap some unhealthy sides.

    You could keep the estrogen sides in check with OTC products like Erase Pro and AndroHard

    -Matt

  20. Quote Originally Posted by steak taco View Post
    Matt - how many AH a day for use with TRT? Would there still be need for arimidex? I'm interested in AH but curios of what benefits I would see using it instead of the one arimidex weekly I'm taking now. Thx
    half serving of AndroHard would 600 mg of hormone in blood.

    DHT and 5a diol levels should be quite a bit higher than upper range....

    Would speculate it would handle estrogen but not lower igf-1 and HDL as bad as adex would.

    In fact Androsterone (androhard) shows traits that could IMPROVE cholesterol.

    Androhard and cholesterol article-
    Body Problem Mechanic
    National Level Competitor.

    www.mpasupps.com

  21. I would use Aromasin over Adex for many reasons. No effect on HDL, lowers SHBG and no rebound.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr View Post
    I would use Aromasin over Adex for many reasons. No effect on HDL, lowers SHBG and no rebound.
    I would DEFINITELY agree....I like suicide AI's better than non steroidals-Matt
    Body Problem Mechanic
    National Level Competitor.

    www.mpasupps.com

  23. I love aromasin, considering an aromasin into an erase run one of these days

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    I love aromasin, considering an aromasin into an erase run one of these days
    What would be the point in that? Why not just extend the run of either of them since they're both suicidal AIs?
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    What would be the point in that? Why not just extend the run of either of them since they're both suicidal AIs?
    Well was thinking starting with aromasin and switching to erase since it would ease my mind of being less harsh per say. Or do I have that wrong? I would not want to stay on aromasin for a long period of time. Especially if I am not running test at the time
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    I would like to add that many assume that water retention is estrogen bloat. Water intake, sodium intake and carbohydrates will make a huge difference.

    There was a time where I had been experiencing what some would consider estrogen related water retention. I went and got my estradiol tested and it turned up 5 on a 7.6-42.6 range from the use of and AI. Obviously estrogen was not the issue.

    Estrogen is not always the culprit.
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

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  27. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    I would like to add that many assume that water retention is estrogen bloat. Water intake, sodium intake and carbohydrates will make a huge difference.

    There was a time where I had been experiencing what some would consider estrogen related water retention. I went and got my estradiol tested and it turned up 5 on a 7.6-42.6 range from the use of and AI. Obviously estrogen was not the issue.

    Estrogen is not always the culprit.

    How watery were you David?

    That is SUPER low e2

    What was the bodyfat looking like?

    -Matt
    Body Problem Mechanic
    National Level Competitor.

    www.mpasupps.com
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    At that point I was nearly 10%. Not tremendously bloated, just the love handles and hips is where I hold my fat and water.

    Yes, that was too low an E2 for my liking. Point being, IMO, and experience, it is not always estrogen.
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    Well was thinking starting with aromasin and switching to erase since it would ease my mind of being less harsh per say. Or do I have that wrong? I would not want to stay on aromasin for a long period of time. Especially if I am not running test at the time
    I'm not following your train of thought here. They're both suicidal AIs and I don't see why you think switching to Erase instead of exemestane is a safer alternative or a better idea while not on test.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  30. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    I'm not following your train of thought here. They're both suicidal AIs and I don't see why you think switching to Erase instead of exemestane is a safer alternative or a better idea while not on test.
    How is exemestane safer then erase? Because it can slightly elevate test levels?

  31. Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    How is exemestane safer then erase? Because it can slightly elevate test levels?
    They both elevate test.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  32. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    They both elevate test.
    I'm so confused lol.
    If you have a minute could you explain when it would be better to use exem vs erase, or any pros cons... I feel so lost lol

  33. Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    I'm so confused lol.
    If you have a minute could you explain when it would be better to use exem vs erase, or any pros cons... I feel so lost lol
    They both elevate test and lower estrogen. The main difference is going to be that Erase is OTC and Exemstane is Rx.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  34. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    They both elevate test and lower estrogen. The main difference is going to be that Erase is OTC and Exemstane is Rx.
    Does that mean anything other then name? Is one safer or better or any difference at all?
  

  
 

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