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[gregg1494]

There are a lot of posts asking what PH/ injectible one should use for your first cycle and what they should do for PCT, So I thought I would help.




Pro hormones (PH)
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Halodrol (Hdrol)
Chemical name: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
Aromatize? No
Half life: ~ 12 hours

Halodrol dosing: 50/50/75/75/75/75 or 50/75/75/75/75/75(mg/day)
50mg of Halodrol split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mg) one at dinner time(25mg)
75mg of Halodrol split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mgx2 = 50mg) one at dinner 25mg)

Cycle support and/or TUDCA @ 4 hours after first dose and 4 hours before second dose.
Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
Even though Halodrol does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.


PCT:
SERM: Pick one. NO SERM NO CYCLE!
Clomid (Clomiphene)@ 50/50/25/25(mg)
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) @ 20/20/10/10(mg)
Torem (Toremifene Citrate) @ 90/60/60/30(mg)
Test booster:
DAA @ 3g/day for 6 weeks starting day one of PCT
Aromatase Inhibitor (AI): Pick one
Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1
Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100(mg)
Formasurge @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM
Formeron @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM


Possible side from Halodrol:
Loss of Libido (Taking Tribulus, Fadogia or Horny Goat Weed help with Libido)
inhibit P @ 2caps/day
Hair Thinning (Especially those prone to hair loss)
Toco 8
Sore Joints (Fish Oil helps with sore joints)
Fish oil @ 5-10g
Cissus quadrangularis
Back Pumps (Taurine helps with back pumps)
Taurine @ 3-5g
Acne (Typically on arms/back etc)
Inhibit P @ 2caps/day
Acnedren
Increased aggression, migraines, shrunken testicles, sleep pattern alteration



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Promagnon (pmag)
Chemical name: 4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Andro-4-Ene-3,17b-Diol
Aromatize? No
Half life: ~ 8- 12 hours

Pmag dosing: 50/50/75/75/75/75 or 50/75/75/75/75/75(mg/day)
50mg Pmag split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mg) one at dinner time(25mg)
75mg of Pmag split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mgx2 = 50mg) one at dinner 25mg)

Cycle support and/or TUDCA @ 4 hours after first dose and 4 hours before second dose.
Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
Even though Pmag does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.


PCT:
SERM: Pick one. NO SERM NO CYCLE!
Clomid (Clomiphene)@ 50/50/25/25(mg)
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) @ 20/20/10/10(mg)
Torem (Toremifene Citrate) @ 90/60/90/30(mg)
Test booster:
DAA @ 3g/day for 6 weeks starting day one of PCT
Aromatase Inhibitor (AI): Pick one
Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1
Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100(mg)
Formasurge @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM
Formeron @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM


Possible side from Pmag:
Loss of Libido (Taking Tribulus, Fadogia or Horny Goat Weed help with Libido)
inhibit P @ 2caps/day
Hair Thinning (Especially those prone to hair loss)
Toco 8
Sore Joints (Fish Oil helps with sore joints)
Fish oil @ 5-10g
Cissus quadrangularis
Back Pumps (Taurine helps with back pumps)
Taurine @ 3-5g
Acne (Typically on arms/back etc)
Inhibit P @ 2caps/day
Acnedren
Increased aggression, migraines, shrunken testicles, sleep pattern alteration



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Epistane (Epi)
Chemical name: 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Aromatize? No
Half life: ~ 6-8 hours

Epistane dosed @ 30/30/40/40/40/40 or 30/40/40/40/40/40(mg a day)
30mg Epi split up into three dosings, one in the morning (10mg) one at lunch(10mg)one at dinner time(10mg)
40mg of Epi split up into three dosings, one in the morning(20mg) one at lunch(10mg) one at dinner(10mg)*
Cycle support and/or TUDCA @ 4 hours after first dose and 4 hours before second dose.
Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
Even though Epi does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.
Dermacrine is a good topical to run to help with letharagy

PCT:
SERM: Pick one. NO SERM NO CYCLE!
Clomid (Clomiphene)@ 50/50/25/25(mg)
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) @ 20/20/10/10(mg)
Torem (Toremifene Citrate) @ 90/60/60/30(mg)
Test booster:
DAA @ 3g/day for 6 weeks starting day one of PCT
Aromatase Inhibitor (AI): Pick one
Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1
Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100(mg)
Formasurge @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM
Formeron @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM


Possible side from Epi:
Loss of Libido (Taking Tribulus, Fadogia or Horny Goat Weed help with Libido)
inhibit P @ 2caps/day
Hair Thinning (Especially those prone to hair loss)
Toco 8
Sore Joints (Fish Oil helps with sore joints)
Fish oil @ 5-10g
Cissus quadrangularis
Back Pumps (Taurine helps with back pumps)
Taurine @ 3-5g
Acne (Typically on arms/back etc)
Inhibit P @ 2caps/day
Acnedren
Increased aggression, migraines, shrunken testicles, sleep pattern alteration

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Injectibles
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Test E(enanthate) Test cyp(cypionate)
Chemical name: 17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Aromatize? Yes

Standard cycle:
Test (E, Cyp) dosed @ 500mg/week 250mg 2x week pin
Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD( or ED, If gyno prone)
Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day (ran through out cycle)
Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
Hawthorne berry @ recommended ( blood pressure)
Saw Palmetto @ recommended (prostate)
Taurine @ 3-5g/day (back pumps)




PCT:
Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20
Clomid @ 100/50/50/25
Aromasin @ 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 (no need to taper since its a suicide AI)
DAA @ 3/3/3/3/3/3
Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day for 6 weeks


PCT starts times:
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection


common needle sizes 1"(quad, glutes, shoulders) 1.5"(glutes) 5/8" (Shoulders) needles between 23-25g

1ml = 1cc

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What are SERMs?
Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs) are a class of compounds that act on the estrogen receptor, as you may know during the post cycle phase your body begins to restart it's natural hormone production, most steroid compounds suppress estrogen, therefore during the PCT phase estrogen levels will inevitably increase. Too much estrogen, too soon can lead to estrogenic symptoms such as gynecomastia, weight gain, muscle loss and so on, we obviously want to avoid these at all costs therefore a SERM in PCT is incredibly effective .


What is an Aromatase Inhibitor?
There are 2 types of AI's. Type I (suicide inhibitor) attaches to the aromatase enzyme and permanently disables it. Type II compete for the enzyme, but dont destroy it. Both are effective at lowering estrogen substantially. Both are commonly used during both cycling and PCT. Used mainly when low estrogen levels are desired, like contest preparation/cutting. Beware that lowering estrogen with strong AI's can have a negative effect on cholesterol levels and low estrogen levels can lead to sore joints, cause your losing estrogens anti-inflammitory effect. Can also have a negative impact on your libido.



Threads to take a look at:
Hair Loss Prevention
If You Think You Have Gyno: Click Here


After PCT users are highly recommended to get blood work
Cheap Bloodwork - How to Get It WITHOUT Insurance

These are just the most common used compounds for beginners if anyone would like to see other commonly used compounds let me know.

These are just guide lines to help you build a cycle and PCT, I am not held accountable for any side effects, or damage done to your bodies.

If anyone has questions or sees a problem or would like me to change something let me know! thanks.

[gregg1494]

Reserved.

[Eric160]

u should add that the same protocol goes for pmag as hdrol as thats another common starter and id add a diff first cycl for prop

[ThunderHumper]

nice read

[GotHuge]

nice read

agreed. i ran halo for my first cycle.. got great results

[cg123]

I was going to run a cycle of massfire but heard its not a great compound because of the 2 methayls in it. Sd and halovar. What would be in your opinion the least harmful ph or test or whatever. I have everything in check and I need something to gain 15 pounds in 6-8 weeks. Contest. I'm 18 and I know young but I need this. What is safest in your opinion?

[GotHuge]

I was going to run a cycle of massfire but heard its not a great compound because of the 2 methayls in it. Sd and halovar. What would be in your opinion the least harmful ph or test or whatever. I have everything in check and I need something to gain 15 pounds in 6-8 weeks. Contest. I'm 18 and I know young but I need this. What is safest in your opinion?

You could try primordial performance's new androseries line. if you do a 8 week cycle of andromass+androhard you should have very lean gains. They are non-methylated and claim to have less side effects... They are a bit pricey though

[cg123]

Ya. I've thought about it. Just too expensive. Is there anything else out there I'm missing? I've thought about hdrol. But once I get into these prohormones I don't want to **** up my future growth. Also don't really want anything where I have to do a serm

[GotHuge]

Ya. I've thought about it. Just too expensive. Is there anything else out there I'm missing? I've thought about hdrol. But once I get into these prohormones I don't want to **** up my future growth. Also don't really want anything where I have to do a serm

You wont gain 15 pounds of primarily lean mass in 8 weeks with anything that wont require a SERM... Even with something as weak as hdrol you still need a serm.. unless you want to be shut down. if you are concerned about stunting your growth or permanently reducing ur natural test, stay away from AAS/PH. Period.

[cg123]

Ya for sure I feel you. That's why I'm asking of anything else. I need this 10-15 pounds lean. I eat my diet is all good. But I need a boost. Anything else you would recommend. This is really important and I need to gain as much muscle as I can fast. I am now 18 195 6'1 and have gained about 45 pounds in the last year and so months. So everything else is good

[arluckydog]

I've ran a test, whinny stack before but I'm about too run my first Ph stack I'm using the ams growth reg stack which is 1 andro, 4 ad, decavol, aroma x for pct. Will that be enough Oct or do you think I need more.

[gregg1494]

More.

[arluckydog]

What do you suggest?

[figdaddy]

Thanks for this post! i think it should really help beginners!! hopefully no more flooded "my first hdrol cycle" on the boards lol

[gregg1494]

What do you suggest?

I would suggest the same pct as halodrol, would be fine leave out the inhibit p. Sure many people have run less for pct, but why take the chance.

[fightbackhxc]

I would suggest the same pct as halodrol, would be fine leave out the inhibit p. Sure many people have run less for pct, but why take the chance.

I actually enjoyed inhibit p in my Oct and would also suggest liverxt as a liver care product. The l dopa in the inhibit p serves many uses in pct.

[gregg1494]

I actually enjoyed inhibit p in my Oct and would also suggest liverxt as a liver care product. The l dopa in the inhibit p serves many uses in pct.

That's why i put it ... But you know how the kids are that only want to run a test booster for pct, they don't see the importance of everything else and usually have no money. So out of everything inhibit p would be the least important.

[arluckydog]

I forgot to mention the milk thistle. I use that normally anyway. So I've got the aroma x and milk thistle and I have a few clomid left from my test, stan stack few months ago. I appreciate the info bro like I said this is my first Ph stack I'm not new to ass but I am to Ph never completely trusted them to work. The new ones anyway.

[arluckydog]

I hope you weren't implying I ask a childish question? I would really like to stay friendly and polite here no need for all that. Again I appreciate the help. I was asking because it is not supposed to aromatase and is non methylated. Plus the pro hormones are kinda a joke in my circle. Now I think my circle maybe childish a bit for thinking that but we'll see

[AaronJP1]

Good work putting this together Gregg.