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  1. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post

    It is slightly more "wet" of a compound than epi, but will you notice the difference, probably not. The reason I recommended Hdrol is because from what I've seen dosing is easier in determining the right dosage for the individual. And side effects also seem to be easier on people.
    I agree 100%... Seeing that icant find CEL H-drol ANYWHERE, what brand/version do you recommend?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post

    It is slightly more "wet" of a compound than epi, but will you notice the difference, probably not. The reason I recommended Hdrol is because from what I've seen dosing is easier in determining the right dosage for the individual. And side effects also seem to be easier on people.
    I agree 100%... Seeing that icant find CEL H-drol ANYWHERE, what brand/version do you recommend?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post

    It is slightly more "wet" of a compound than epi, but will you notice the difference, probably not. The reason I recommended Hdrol is because from what I've seen dosing is easier in determining the right dosage for the individual. And side effects also seem to be easier on people.
    Agreed 100%... I cant fid CEL H-drol ANYWHERE! Since thats the case what brand/version would you recommend?

  4. 3 Reposts??? 20 minutes apart

  5. Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    3 Reposts??? 20 minutes apart
    Bahaha my bad guys, my iphones wiggin out an spent the last hour loading this page and I see I replied 3 times
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by rajan_kauai View Post
    Bahaha my bad guys, my iphones wiggin out an spent the last hour loading this page and I see I replied 3 times
    Its all good. Haha.

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  7. Recommend anything for lethargy other than Stano?

  8. Test is da best!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by rajan_kauai View Post
    Recommend anything for lethargy other than Stano?
    If your running hdrol lethargy shouldn't be a problem.

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  10. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post

    If your running hdrol lethargy shouldn't be a problem.

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    At 100mg+ it can be.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    At 100mg+ it can be.
    I dont think hes going 100+ thats why I said it. -.-

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  12. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post

    I dont think hes going 100+ thats why I said it. -.-

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    Only planning on 50/50/75/75/75/75 If sides are manageable then i'll bump it to 100 maybe last two weeks. And thank you by the way for the great thread, really really good information in here, even for my first pinning cycle after i run Hdrol. Definitely be revisiting. Since i was debating going straight to the big guns or opting to see how my body reacts to an artificial hormone coming in. Taking a page right out of te OPs book, and running the suggested H-drol cycle, I will be running LGI H-drol 25 (opinions?) with CEL cycle assist, Hawthorn berry, and either Liv.52 OR TUDCA. Pct will be ran with Clomid at 50/50/25/25, Erase, and Tribuplex750.

    Should be seeing A\\\\\\\ kinds of gains. Hoping to put on anywhere from 8-12 lbs after PCT.
    Will be logging my progress once i get all my goodies. And some lab rat research chems.

  13. Even at 75 mg I see pretty severe lethargy from H-drol.....
    Psalm 73:26
    My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Bodock View Post
    Even at 75 mg I see pretty severe lethargy from H-drol.....
    Yep that's possible. Like always side effects differ from person to person.

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  15. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    There are a lot of posts asking what PH/ injectible one should use for your first cycle and what they should do for PCT, So I thought I would help.




    Pro hormones (PH)
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    Halodrol (Hdrol)
    Chemical name: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
    Aromatize? No
    Half life: ~ 12 hours

    Halodrol dosing: 50/50/75/75/75/75 or 50/75/75/75/75/75(mg/day)
    50mg of Halodrol split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mg) one at dinner time(25mg)
    75mg of Halodrol split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mgx2 = 50mg) one at dinner 25mg)

    Cycle support and/or TUDCA @ 4 hours after first dose and 4 hours before second dose.
    Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
    Even though Halodrol does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.


    PCT:
    SERM: Pick one. NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Clomid (Clomiphene)@ 50/50/25/25(mg)
    Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) @ 20/20/10/10(mg)
    Torem (Toremifene Citrate) @ 90/60/60/30(mg)
    Test booster:
    DAA @ 3g/day for 6 weeks starting day one of PCT
    Aromatase Inhibitor (AI): Pick one
    Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1
    Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100(mg)
    Formasurge @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM
    Formeron @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM


    Possible side from Halodrol:
    Loss of Libido (Taking Tribulus, Fadogia or Horny Goat Weed help with Libido)
    inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Hair Thinning (Especially those prone to hair loss)
    Toco 8
    Sore Joints (Fish Oil helps with sore joints)
    Fish oil @ 5-10g
    Cissus quadrangularis
    Back Pumps (Taurine helps with back pumps)
    Taurine @ 3-5g
    Acne (Typically on arms/back etc)
    Inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Acnedren
    Increased aggression, migraines, shrunken testicles, sleep pattern alteration



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    Promagnon (pmag)
    Chemical name: 4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Andro-4-Ene-3,17b-Diol
    Aromatize? No
    Half life: ~ 8- 12 hours

    Pmag dosing: 50/50/75/75/75/75 or 50/75/75/75/75/75(mg/day)
    50mg Pmag split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mg) one at dinner time(25mg)
    75mg of Pmag split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mgx2 = 50mg) one at dinner 25mg)

    Cycle support and/or TUDCA @ 4 hours after first dose and 4 hours before second dose.
    Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
    Even though Pmag does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.


    PCT:
    SERM: Pick one. NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Clomid (Clomiphene)@ 50/50/25/25(mg)
    Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) @ 20/20/10/10(mg)
    Torem (Toremifene Citrate) @ 90/60/90/30(mg)
    Test booster:
    DAA @ 3g/day for 6 weeks starting day one of PCT
    Aromatase Inhibitor (AI): Pick one
    Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1
    Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100(mg)
    Formasurge @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM
    Formeron @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM


    Possible side from Pmag:
    Loss of Libido (Taking Tribulus, Fadogia or Horny Goat Weed help with Libido)
    inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Hair Thinning (Especially those prone to hair loss)
    Toco 8
    Sore Joints (Fish Oil helps with sore joints)
    Fish oil @ 5-10g
    Cissus quadrangularis
    Back Pumps (Taurine helps with back pumps)
    Taurine @ 3-5g
    Acne (Typically on arms/back etc)
    Inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Acnedren
    Increased aggression, migraines, shrunken testicles, sleep pattern alteration



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    Epistane (Epi)
    Chemical name: 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
    Aromatize? No
    Half life: ~ 6-8 hours

    Epistane dosed @ 30/30/40/40/40/40 or 30/40/40/40/40/40(mg a day)
    30mg Epi split up into three dosings, one in the morning (10mg) one at lunch(10mg)one at dinner time(10mg)
    40mg of Epi split up into three dosings, one in the morning(20mg) one at lunch(10mg) one at dinner(10mg)*
    Cycle support and/or TUDCA @ 4 hours after first dose and 4 hours before second dose.
    Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
    Even though Epi does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.
    Dermacrine is a good topical to run to help with letharagy

    PCT:
    SERM: Pick one. NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Clomid (Clomiphene)@ 50/50/25/25(mg)
    Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) @ 20/20/10/10(mg)
    Torem (Toremifene Citrate) @ 90/60/60/30(mg)
    Test booster:
    DAA @ 3g/day for 6 weeks starting day one of PCT
    Aromatase Inhibitor (AI): Pick one
    Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1
    Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100(mg)
    Formasurge @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM
    Formeron @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM


    Possible side from Epi:
    Loss of Libido (Taking Tribulus, Fadogia or Horny Goat Weed help with Libido)
    inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Hair Thinning (Especially those prone to hair loss)
    Toco 8
    Sore Joints (Fish Oil helps with sore joints)
    Fish oil @ 5-10g
    Cissus quadrangularis
    Back Pumps (Taurine helps with back pumps)
    Taurine @ 3-5g
    Acne (Typically on arms/back etc)
    Inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Acnedren
    Increased aggression, migraines, shrunken testicles, sleep pattern alteration

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    Injectibles
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    Test E(enanthate) Test cyp(cypionate)
    Chemical name: 17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
    Aromatize? Yes

    Standard cycle:
    Test (E, Cyp) dosed @ 500mg/week 250mg 2x week pin
    Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD( or ED, If gyno prone)
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day (ran through out cycle)
    Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
    Hawthorne berry @ recommended ( blood pressure)
    Saw Palmetto @ recommended (prostate)
    Taurine @ 3-5g/day (back pumps)




    PCT:
    Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20
    Clomid @ 100/50/50/25
    Aromasin @ 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 (no need to taper since its a suicide AI)
    DAA @ 3/3/3/3/3/3
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day for 6 weeks


    PCT starts times:
    Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
    Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection


    common needle sizes 1"(quad, glutes, shoulders) 1.5"(glutes) 5/8" (Shoulders) needles between 23-25g

    1ml = 1cc

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    What are SERMs?
    Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs) are a class of compounds that act on the estrogen receptor, as you may know during the post cycle phase your body begins to restart it's natural hormone production, most steroid compounds suppress estrogen, therefore during the PCT phase estrogen levels will inevitably increase. Too much estrogen, too soon can lead to estrogenic symptoms such as gynecomastia, weight gain, muscle loss and so on, we obviously want to avoid these at all costs therefore a SERM in PCT is incredibly effective .


    What is an Aromatase Inhibitor?
    There are 2 types of AI's. Type I (suicide inhibitor) attaches to the aromatase enzyme and permanently disables it. Type II compete for the enzyme, but dont destroy it. Both are effective at lowering estrogen substantially. Both are commonly used during both cycling and PCT. Used mainly when low estrogen levels are desired, like contest preparation/cutting. Beware that lowering estrogen with strong AI's can have a negative effect on cholesterol levels and low estrogen levels can lead to sore joints, cause your losing estrogens anti-inflammitory effect. Can also have a negative impact on your libido.



    Threads to take a look at:
    Hair Loss Prevention
    If You Think You Have Gyno: Click Here


    After PCT users are highly recommended to get blood work
    Cheap Bloodwork - How to Get It WITHOUT Insurance

    These are just the most common used compounds for beginners if anyone would like to see other commonly used compounds let me know.

    These are just guide lines to help you build a cycle and PCT, I am not held accountable for any side effects, or damage done to your bodies.

    If anyone has questions or sees a problem or would like me to change something let me know! thanks.
    Is it possible to die from all the pills cause I heard that the pct doesnt always work

  16. Quote Originally Posted by eddie409 View Post
    Is it possible to die from all the pills cause I heard that the pct doesnt always work
    You have got to be the most dedicated trolls ever
    Why not zoidberg?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by macdady View Post

    You have got to be the most dedicated trolls ever
    Mac, I need you on this troll hunt.

  18. Great post

    OP, it would be nice to see on the 1st post, the strengths of the ph, ie, for size/strength/cut

    And maybe a good list of stacks with non methyls

  19. Quote Originally Posted by eddie409 View Post
    Is it possible to die from all the pills cause I heard that the pct doesnt always work
    Yes it is your liver can go into liver cirrhosis and you can also mess up your endocrine system so bad that it will leave you sterol and you can have achene so bad that your skin starts to melt check this out bud here are some common side effects from gear and when i mean common they happen to everyone if you even take one halodrol pill this will happen I mean it stay away from this stuff it will kill you
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    and here is an article about a kid that killed him self
    Teenager used steroids to bulk up... but within weeks he was dead - Mirror Online
    SNS REP
    Hit me up with any questions any time.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    Mac, I need you on this troll hunt.
    I shall get my bow hahaha... this guy just makes me laugh
    Why not zoidberg?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    Yes it is your liver can go into liver cirrhosis and you can also mess up your endocrine system so bad that it will leave you sterol and you can have achene so bad that your skin starts to melt check this out bud here are some common side effects from gear and when i mean common they happen to everyone if you even take one halodrol pill this will happen I mean it stay away from this stuff it will kill you
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    and here is an article about a kid that killed him self
    Teenager used steroids to bulk up... but within weeks he was dead - Mirror Online
    I was thinking about posting those pics on his last threads to scare him away lol
    Why not zoidberg?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Armbender View Post
    Great post

    OP, it would be nice to see on the 1st post, the strengths of the ph, ie, for size/strength/cut

    And maybe a good list of stacks with non methyls
    He gave a great over view of these compounds... be greatful he did that and stop being greedy lol
    Why not zoidberg?

  23. Lol . I agree he did a great job!

    But this could be an excellent one stop shop thread for newbies

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Armbender View Post
    Lol . I agree he did a great job!

    But this could be an excellent one stop shop thread for newbies
    I think encouraging there own research is what this is doing... spoon feeding them too much is a bad idea lol... look at eddie409 for example, dudes a idiot. Do you really want that guy saying your the one who taught him how to cycle when he ****s himself up? Lol
    Why not zoidberg?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by macdady View Post
    I think encouraging there own research is what this is doing... spoon feeding them too much is a bad idea lol... look at eddie409 for example, dudes a idiot. Do you really want that guy saying your the one who taught him how to cycle when he ****s himself up? Lol
    This kid is the reason that our favorite products get banned. They hear they are super effective and then go overboard with out the proper care and wind up messing them selves up so bad that they wind up the poster boy for the anti supplement side.
    SNS REP
    Hit me up with any questions any time.

  26. Actually, never thought of that, really good point.

    I spent MONTHS researching mine and am VERY glad I did.

    I learned a lot, and didnt take anything for granted

    My bad

  27. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    This kid is the reason that our favorite products get banned. They hear they are super effective and then go overboard with out the proper care and wind up messing them selves up so bad that they wind up the poster boy for the anti supplement side.
    Yup lol
    Why not zoidberg?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by macdady View Post
    I was thinking about posting those pics on his last threads to scare him away lol

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    SNS REP
    Hit me up with any questions any time.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Armbender View Post
    Actually, never thought of that, really good point.

    I spent MONTHS researching mine and am VERY glad I did.

    I learned a lot, and didnt take anything for granted

    My bad
    And when it was all said and done you probably felt pretty accomplished huh? You probably felt proud that you were able to run something on your own with success and felt good knowing that if something did go wrong that you knew what to expect and what to do to remedy the situation. The problem with kids like Eddie is that the are spoon fed their entire lives and have no ability to think for them selves. For instance if he did run something solely based on the recommendation of some on on this forum and something were to happen like gyno, Eddie would walk around the entire time blaming the person who "helped" him. That is the main reason why when new guys come on here saying"im thinking about running X help," they get flamed.
    SNS REP
    Hit me up with any questions any time.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    And when it was all said and done you probably felt pretty accomplished huh? You probably felt proud that you were able to run something on your own with success and felt good knowing that if something did go wrong that you knew what to expect and what to do to remedy the situation. The problem with kids like Eddie is that the are spoon fed their entire lives and have no ability to think for them selves. For instance if he did run something solely based on the recommendation of some on on this forum and something were to happen like gyno, Eddie would walk around the entire time blaming the person who "helped" him. That is the main reason why when new guys come on here saying"im thinking about running X help," they get flamed.
    I think I posted my cycle and pct and a few suggestions where made and bada bing bada boom
    Why not zoidberg?
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