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    Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman
    O SNAP! Wasn't even thinking about the board rules.....

    Were not supposed to talk about AAS/Pro-hormones to kids. Dudes 18.

    Time for gregg1494 to get out of the big boys section of the forum for another 3 years.
    Pretty well informed 18 yo if that is the case. Also a helpful 18 yo as well.

    I think his knowledge supersedes his age

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    Not only are you supposed to not be talking about it....but were not supposed to be answering to it. So I posted it so my ass don't have no **** come down on me. I'm ALREADY pretty much un-liked hahaha


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    Quote Originally Posted by Medical420 View Post
    Pretty well informed 18 yo if that is the case. Also a helpful 18 yo as well.

    I think his knowledge supersedes his age

    IMO

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    I dont rec any cycles without a decent testosterone base, even just an hrt amount even.

    rest looks good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blergs
    I dont rec any cycles without a decent testosterone base, even just an hrt amount even.

    rest looks good.
    Really? Sure a test base along side had its advantages. But I would still recommend cycles without it.
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    Would anyone like me to add anything? Should I change pmag to mechabol since pmag coverts to it
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    mechabol is discontinued
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    nice read
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332
    mechabol is discontinued
    OK. Good to know
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    Quote Originally Posted by kateean2
    nice read
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    mechabol is discontinued
    glad i got it when i did
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    yup check out their website. "making room for new products"
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    with all the noobs posting lately youd figure this thread would be more active
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    I've seen Greg posting the link around here and there but I think most people are starting new threads before searching
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech
    with all the noobs posting lately youd figure this thread would be more active
    I try to post it when I can. Just haven't been that active recently. Feel free to post as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech
    with all the noobs posting lately youd figure this thread would be more active
    Just goes to show a lack of research, especially when its on the same page.
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    Any info to add as far as on cycle support and PCT for Trenazone? Mainly when to use Caber versus Prami and your thoughts on Inhibit-P and Prolactrone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdeome View Post
    Excellent Thread buddy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodock View Post
    Any info to add as far as on cycle support and PCT for Trenazone? Mainly when to use Caber versus Prami and your thoughts on Inhibit-P and Prolactrone.
    Nope no different on support or PCT. As far as caber, prami, inhibit, and prolactrone. Just use inhinibit as shown. They all do basically the same thing. Just that I am more familiar with inhibit, so that's why I recommend it.

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    If anyone could help me out I'd really appreciate it... about to run my first PH cycle with the Advanced Muscle Science pro-anabolic kit...
    They use the Arom-X as a PCT, but should I run Nolvadex at 20/20/10/10? Any input would be great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruleq
    If anyone could help me out I'd really appreciate it... about to run my first PH cycle with the Advanced Muscle Science pro-anabolic kit...
    They use the Arom-X as a PCT, but should I run Nolvadex at 20/20/10/10? Any input would be great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruleq View Post
    If anyone could help me out I'd really appreciate it... about to run my first PH cycle with the Advanced Muscle Science pro-anabolic kit...
    They use the Arom-X as a PCT, but should I run Nolvadex at 20/20/10/10? Any input would be great!
    I would run nolva, yes people have used arom x for pct but I don't like those things. A serm(Nova) and an AI(any of the ones I have listed) would be fine for a light hormone stack like that.

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    GoodPost, thanks. My Two cents on some supporting supps;
    I'm finally staving off some wicked back pumps at 8g of Taurine p/day. I take3g several hours before my w/o and the remaining 5g an hour before bed, as itcan help with restleness and CNS over activity.
    One additional supplement to offset the common complaint of sore/stiff/dryjoints that wasn't mentioned is Cissus Quadrangularis. It's a MUST have for meon and through any cycle. I'm half way through an M1T cycle now - happy withthe marked progress, and no complaints of sides (yet, knock on wood)...
    Again, good post, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveydoodle View Post
    GoodPost, thanks. My Two cents on some supporting supps;
    I'm finally staving off some wicked back pumps at 8g of Taurine p/day. I take3g several hours before my w/o and the remaining 5g an hour before bed, as itcan help with restleness and CNS over activity.
    One additional supplement to offset the common complaint of sore/stiff/dryjoints that wasn't mentioned is Cissus Quadrangularis. It's a MUST have for meon and through any cycle. I'm half way through an M1T cycle now - happy withthe marked progress, and no complaints of sides (yet, knock on wood)...
    Again, good post, thanks.
    Thanks for the 2 cents. Will up date.

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    Any injectibles you guys would like to see?

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    instead of taking inhibit p can i just take l-dopa as part of my pct?
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    Re: Cycles for Beginners!! please look!


    Quote Originally Posted by demondrol View Post
    instead of taking inhibit p can i just take l-dopa as part of my pct?
    Yes. Now on how effective it will be i don't know...

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    If you could add a part that is a generalized what to expect from the cycle. Hence, cutting/recomp/bulking. I've found that would be good info for people wanting to try new things out as well. Personally I'm stuck on SD and don't know much about other PH's or AAS.
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    Re: Cycles for Beginners!! please look!


    Quote Originally Posted by xigotmailx View Post
    If you could add a part that is a generalized what to expect from the cycle. Hence, cutting/recomp/bulking. I've found that would be good info for people wanting to try new things out as well. Personally I'm stuck on SD and don't know much about other PH's or AAS.
    Will do, just have been really busy lately.

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    Re: Cycles for Beginners!! please look!


    Anyone what me to add anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    Anyone what me to add anything?

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    I know these aren't first cycle but any knowledge is appreciated.
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    hmmm......
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    There are a lot of posts asking what PH/ injectible one should use for your first cycle and what they should do for PCT, So I thought I would help.




    Pro hormones (PH)
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    Halodrol (Hdrol)
    Chemical name: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
    Aromatize? No
    Half life: ~ 12 hours

    Halodrol dosing: 50/50/75/75/75/75 or 50/75/75/75/75/75(mg/day)
    50mg of Halodrol split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mg) one at dinner time(25mg)
    75mg of Halodrol split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mgx2 = 50mg) one at dinner 25mg)

    Cycle support and/or TUDCA @ 4 hours after first dose and 4 hours before second dose.
    Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
    Even though Halodrol does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.


    PCT:
    SERM: Pick one. NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Clomid (Clomiphene)@ 50/50/25/25(mg)
    Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) @ 20/20/10/10(mg)
    Torem (Toremifene Citrate) @ 90/60/60/30(mg)
    Test booster:
    DAA @ 3g/day for 6 weeks starting day one of PCT
    Aromatase Inhibitor (AI): Pick one
    Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1
    Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100(mg)
    Formasurge @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM
    Formeron @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM


    Possible side from Halodrol:
    Loss of Libido (Taking Tribulus, Fadogia or Horny Goat Weed help with Libido)
    inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Hair Thinning (Especially those prone to hair loss)
    Toco 8
    Sore Joints (Fish Oil helps with sore joints)
    Fish oil @ 5-10g
    Cissus quadrangularis
    Back Pumps (Taurine helps with back pumps)
    Taurine @ 3-5g
    Acne (Typically on arms/back etc)
    Inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Acnedren
    Increased aggression, migraines, shrunken testicles, sleep pattern alteration



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    Promagnon (pmag)
    Chemical name: 4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Andro-4-Ene-3,17b-Diol
    Aromatize? No
    Half life: ~ 8- 12 hours

    Pmag dosing: 50/50/75/75/75/75 or 50/75/75/75/75/75(mg/day)
    50mg Pmag split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mg) one at dinner time(25mg)
    75mg of Pmag split up into two dosings, 1 in the morning (25mgx2 = 50mg) one at dinner 25mg)

    Cycle support and/or TUDCA @ 4 hours after first dose and 4 hours before second dose.
    Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
    Even though Pmag does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.


    PCT:
    SERM: Pick one. NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Clomid (Clomiphene)@ 50/50/25/25(mg)
    Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) @ 20/20/10/10(mg)
    Torem (Toremifene Citrate) @ 90/60/90/30(mg)
    Test booster:
    DAA @ 3g/day for 6 weeks starting day one of PCT
    Aromatase Inhibitor (AI): Pick one
    Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1
    Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100(mg)
    Formasurge @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM
    Formeron @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM


    Possible side from Pmag:
    Loss of Libido (Taking Tribulus, Fadogia or Horny Goat Weed help with Libido)
    inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Hair Thinning (Especially those prone to hair loss)
    Toco 8
    Sore Joints (Fish Oil helps with sore joints)
    Fish oil @ 5-10g
    Cissus quadrangularis
    Back Pumps (Taurine helps with back pumps)
    Taurine @ 3-5g
    Acne (Typically on arms/back etc)
    Inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Acnedren
    Increased aggression, migraines, shrunken testicles, sleep pattern alteration



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    Epistane (Epi)
    Chemical name: 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
    Aromatize? No
    Half life: ~ 6-8 hours

    Epistane dosed @ 30/30/40/40/40/40 or 30/40/40/40/40/40(mg a day)
    30mg Epi split up into three dosings, one in the morning (10mg) one at lunch(10mg)one at dinner time(10mg)
    40mg of Epi split up into three dosings, one in the morning(20mg) one at lunch(10mg) one at dinner(10mg)*
    Cycle support and/or TUDCA @ 4 hours after first dose and 4 hours before second dose.
    Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
    Even though Epi does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.
    Dermacrine is a good topical to run to help with letharagy

    PCT:
    SERM: Pick one. NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Clomid (Clomiphene)@ 50/50/25/25(mg)
    Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) @ 20/20/10/10(mg)
    Torem (Toremifene Citrate) @ 90/60/60/30(mg)
    Test booster:
    DAA @ 3g/day for 6 weeks starting day one of PCT
    Aromatase Inhibitor (AI): Pick one
    Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1
    Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100(mg)
    Formasurge @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM
    Formeron @ use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM


    Possible side from Epi:
    Loss of Libido (Taking Tribulus, Fadogia or Horny Goat Weed help with Libido)
    inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Hair Thinning (Especially those prone to hair loss)
    Toco 8
    Sore Joints (Fish Oil helps with sore joints)
    Fish oil @ 5-10g
    Cissus quadrangularis
    Back Pumps (Taurine helps with back pumps)
    Taurine @ 3-5g
    Acne (Typically on arms/back etc)
    Inhibit P @ 2caps/day
    Acnedren
    Increased aggression, migraines, shrunken testicles, sleep pattern alteration

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    Injectibles
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    Test E(enanthate) Test cyp(cypionate)
    Chemical name: 17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
    Aromatize? Yes

    Standard cycle:
    Test (E, Cyp) dosed @ 500mg/week 250mg 2x week pin
    Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD( or ED, If gyno prone)
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day (ran through out cycle)
    Fish oil @ 5-10g/day
    Hawthorne berry @ recommended ( blood pressure)
    Saw Palmetto @ recommended (prostate)
    Taurine @ 3-5g/day (back pumps)




    PCT:
    Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20
    Clomid @ 100/50/50/25
    Aromasin @ 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 (no need to taper since its a suicide AI)
    DAA @ 3/3/3/3/3/3
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day for 6 weeks


    PCT starts times:
    Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
    Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection


    common needle sizes 1"(quad, glutes, shoulders) 1.5"(glutes) 5/8" (Shoulders) needles between 23-25g

    1ml = 1cc

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    What are SERMs?
    Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs) are a class of compounds that act on the estrogen receptor, as you may know during the post cycle phase your body begins to restart it's natural hormone production, most steroid compounds suppress estrogen, therefore during the PCT phase estrogen levels will inevitably increase. Too much estrogen, too soon can lead to estrogenic symptoms such as gynecomastia, weight gain, muscle loss and so on, we obviously want to avoid these at all costs therefore a SERM in PCT is incredibly effective .


    What is an Aromatase Inhibitor?
    There are 2 types of AI's. Type I (suicide inhibitor) attaches to the aromatase enzyme and permanently disables it. Type II compete for the enzyme, but dont destroy it. Both are effective at lowering estrogen substantially. Both are commonly used during both cycling and PCT. Used mainly when low estrogen levels are desired, like contest preparation/cutting. Beware that lowering estrogen with strong AI's can have a negative effect on cholesterol levels and low estrogen levels can lead to sore joints, cause your losing estrogens anti-inflammitory effect. Can also have a negative impact on your libido.



    Threads to take a look at:
    Hair Loss Prevention
    If You Think You Have Gyno: Click Here


    After PCT users are highly recommended to get blood work
    Cheap Bloodwork - How to Get It WITHOUT Insurance

    These are just the most common used compounds for beginners if anyone would like to see other commonly used compounds let me know.

    These are just guide lines to help you build a cycle and PCT, I am not held accountable for any side effects, or damage done to your bodies.

    If anyone has questions or sees a problem or would like me to change something let me know! thanks.

    The injectable cycle has two things added for no reason what so ever, inhibit p and taurine. Also if the exeme is legit 12.5mg ed would tank estro. Also 6.25ed for exeme is far superior. Also if you run the exeme at 6.25mg ed for the 4 weeks as nolva and clomid not only would the extra two weeks not be necessary also you could down the nolva to 20/20/10/10.

    Also for the first inject you can run test p at the end at 50-100mg eod at the end of test e/c up to 3 days before pct to practice proper pinning technique and make a more seamless transition to pct.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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