Cycles for Beginners!! please look!
- 10-19-2012, 10:48 PM
Originally Posted by Red9
- 10-19-2012, 10:49 PM
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10-19-2012, 10:55 PM
That's why i don't recommend it haha. But some people still do so i put it any way.Originally Posted by epstaneman
10-19-2012, 11:18 PM
Alright brutha. From what I know, Tamoxifen Citrate does block overall estrogen, but specifically is most effective in keep estrogen from binding to the breast tissue and is the main reason for it's use in females with breast cancer. I'm gunna go out on a limb to say it would be effective in using during a test E cycle for estrogen blocking qualities, but at what doses would it be effective? Again I'm not 100% positive, but pretty sure..Originally Posted by gregg1494
10-19-2012, 11:42 PM
I guess bodybuilders do use nolvadex on cycle, according to this information
Article Nolvadex - Steroid .com
Like I said, not running Nolvadex during cycle may have been bro science. Im going to be doing research on this.
10-20-2012, 11:03 AM
Nolvadex lowers estrogen in higher doses. Just a nuget of information I've read before. Thought I'd share.
10-20-2012, 11:24 AM
10-20-2012, 11:38 AM
"Unlike Arimidex and femara, Nolvadex does not act as an anti-aromatize drug, but rather acts as an estrogen antagonist. This drug will not prevent the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. It will only fight it at the receptor level. This right here goes to show why drugs like Arimidex and femara are far more superior drugs to use during a cycle than Nolvadex."
10-20-2012, 12:06 PM
Hey guys, new member here. Im trying to learn more about prohormones and I have some questions. Just to clarify, I would not even consider taking PH until Im much more educated than I am now. First off Im 37 yo, 6ft 2in, 230 probably high teens BF%. I have one year lifting experience, Im currently running a 4 day a week upper/lower split, about 15 sets per session.
1: Are PH recommended for someone with my lifting experience?
2: Would I have to drastically change my routine to alot more volume and intensity? How would I need to change it.
3: Is there any alternative, like natural test boosters that actually work?
Please feel free to offer any opinions/advice. thanks.
10-20-2012, 12:20 PM
Not necessarily, do what ever is working for you. That being said, volume and or intensity have been shown to give good results. You are going to have to find what works best for you, that may take 1,2 or even 5 years.
Yes there are, and that's what I would recommend you do first. I don't like to see anyone with little experience jump into a PH. At your age you should see some noticeable differences. Take a look at DAA and Erase.
10-20-2012, 12:39 PM
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10-20-2012, 03:35 PM
10-20-2012, 04:49 PM
And kid, where do you get your info. Because that doesn't even make sense. How would it pertinently hinder your production of estrogen? It only destroys the aromatase enzyme, which converts androgens into estrogens.
10-20-2012, 05:02 PM
10-20-2012, 05:07 PM
10-20-2012, 06:18 PM
Wouldn't that mean you can no longer produce an excess amount of estrogen? IE-If you use it to the extent your estrogen is low to a un-healthy degree....wouldn't it not be able to come back to a healthy degree? That's what I'm referring too. I guess you can call it abusing it or just mis-dosing it.
If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
also....how old are you?
10-20-2012, 06:38 PM
Haha no you will still produce estrogen. Its just that estrogen spikes during pct. Yes, lowering estrogen to much with AI's can have a negative effect on cholesterol levels and low estrogen levels can lead to sore joints, cause your losing estrogens anti-inflammitory effect. Can also have a negative impact on your libido. But you will not crush estrogen to that low of a degree, since it is already spiking. Your estrogen will come back, as your body begins to produce test again your body will make estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. And im 18 kid =)Originally Posted by epstaneman
10-20-2012, 06:50 PM
10-20-2012, 06:51 PM
10-20-2012, 07:50 PM
So ...............KID. Lets see if I can pick your brain and anyone else that reads this chime in with what YOU think ...even if its right or wrong. Cuz at the END OF DA DEYYYYYYYYY I do whatever the FU*K I WANNA DO!
There are several goals of pct, but one version would be to say it is to bring back the full production of testosterone in your body. Because if one abuses steroids by staying on them too long, or having too many cycles close together, you risk your body never producing it again and have to get TRT.
There-go.....would it be safe to say you can jump back on cycle once your test production is back in full swing? REGARDLESS of high estrogen along with it? Be it using a steroid that brings down estrogen or at least the necessary ancillaries with a aromatising compound such as actual testosterone.
10-20-2012, 08:57 PM
The point of pct is to bring your body back to hormonal homeostasis. I can't see a male having more estrogen then test unless you have just came off a cycle.
10-20-2012, 10:24 PM
I use it at 10mg a day on cycle, last cycle I did was test e and 10mg a day was fine no issues.Originally Posted by Red9
10-20-2012, 10:33 PM
No no no....your MISunderstanding me prince valient. If YOU were a sheep.....would you **** another sheep?
But really....the case I ment to make clear was the test levels are back to normal and estrogen levels are high....but the test is much higher then the estrogen. Test is say 600 and estrogen is 47. Just to throw out some numbers for ya.
10-20-2012, 10:34 PM
10-20-2012, 11:08 PM
Well test and estrogen aren't the only thing to worry about, you want to make sure your lipids are in a normal range as well. And it will take some timed for your test and estrogen to get back to normal. i don't know if that's the answer your looking for??Originally Posted by epstaneman
10-20-2012, 11:35 PM
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10-22-2012, 12:34 PM
It takes a few hours to start working.....so if your having bad back pumps during your workouts, it would be ideal to get a good dose in around 3-4 hours before.
With as little as Taurine costs, I see no reason to dose sparingly.
10-22-2012, 12:38 PM
Ok I was going to try and space it as far away from my preworkout as possible since I take beta alanine and would like to not have that conflict. But if it will not have optimal effects unless dosed this way I suppose I'll take it as suggestedOriginally Posted by epstaneman
10-22-2012, 08:18 PM
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10-23-2012, 10:32 AM
That's where your going to feel them. It's like a dull pain in the lower back.Originally Posted by cokeholio
10-23-2012, 10:51 AM
10-23-2012, 11:52 AM
O SNAP! Wasn't even thinking about the board rules.....
Were not supposed to talk about AAS/Pro-hormones to kids. Dudes 18.
Time for gregg1494 to get out of the big boys section of the forum for another 3 years.
10-23-2012, 11:57 AM
Lol. Never knew knowledge was limited by age. If an admin tells me to leave then I will leave.Originally Posted by epstaneman
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