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  1. Quote Originally Posted by smith139 View Post
    I'm 25 6'5 202 9.5-10% body fat. As far as lifting experience goes I'm real into cardio based lifting like crossfit and supersets mainly because I'm a firefighter and that Is what I need. but over the last 6 months my cardio is amazing but my strength and overall appearance has seemed to take a pause. I have even started counting calories.... Every single one of those little bastards lol
    kcals a day? macros?


  2. What about Mechabol? I know it's basically what P-Mag converts into. Would it then be a good first cycle for beginners as well?

  3. Quote Originally Posted by Racinjetford
    What about Mechabol? I know it's basically what P-Mag converts into. Would it then be a good first cycle for beginners as well?
    That is fine
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    If there tabs and you don't want to split them no big deal, you can run 20/20/20/20

    Honesty I would go no less then 5 weeks. I know with beginners there concern is side effects. But unless you are dosing high or running longer you should be just fine. Of you were to run a 4 week cycle I would go 30/40/40/40 or if you think you can 30/40/40/50. If 5 weeks 30/40/40/40/40

    Start daa (3g)day one of pct and run till one week after end of nolva.

    Start erase pro week 3 of pct and run one week past end of daa. Run 1 cap a day

    Run inhibit p 2 caps a day from day one of pct. if you can afford it run during cycle too.
    Thanks, based on your comments this is wht will be the whole cycle:
    Wk 1-5 Epi (30/40/40/40/40)
    Wk 6-9 Nolva (20/20/20/20)
    Wk 6-10 Daa (3mg ed)
    Wk 8-9 Erase pro (1 cap/day)
    Wk 1-9 Inhibit-P (2 caps/day)

    Considering to add Liv52 or Milk thistle one week b4 Cycle and during PCT.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Lagartizscha

    Thanks, based on your comments this is wht will be the whole cycle:
    Wk 1-5 Epi (30/40/40/40/40)
    Wk 6-9 Nolva (20/20/20/20)
    Wk 6-10 Daa (3mg ed)
    Wk 8-9 Erase pro (1 cap/day)
    Wk 1-9 Inhibit-P (2 caps/day)

    Considering to add Liv52 or Milk thistle one week b4 Cycle and during PCT.
    Almost,

    Epi 30/40/40/40/40
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2

    Pct
    Nolva 20/20/20/20
    Daa 3/3/3/3/3
    Erase 0/0/1/1/1/1
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2/2

  6. Doing a little research on Epistane and found "the perfect cycle" with epistane, licogenix, titanium and organ shield. Contrary to the name looks like I'm missing a proper serm, such as nolva? Or is the licogenix strong enough? 1st ph cycle, have done a few different test boosters but want to take the next step.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Jrhayes61
    Doing a little research on Epistane and found "the perfect cycle" with epistane, licogenix, titanium and organ shield. Contrary to the name looks like I'm missing a proper serm, such as nolva? Or is the licogenix strong enough? 1st ph cycle, have done a few different test boosters but want to take the next step.
    that's just advertisement. you can use those products but you still need a serm, and all titanium did was make me horny
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Jrhayes61
    Doing a little research on Epistane and found "the perfect cycle" with epistane, licogenix, titanium and organ shield. Contrary to the name looks like I'm missing a proper serm, such as nolva? Or is the licogenix strong enough? 1st ph cycle, have done a few different test boosters but want to take the next step.
    Yep, need a serm. Licogenix is an AI and they do completely different things.

    You just need a serm and you would be good to go.

    Age? height? weight? Lifting experience?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    Almost,

    Epi 30/40/40/40/40
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2

    Pct
    Nolva 20/20/20/20
    Daa 3/3/3/3/3
    Erase 0/0/1/1/1/1
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2/2

    Sweeeet!
    Tks

  10. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494

    Almost,

    Epi 30/40/40/40/40
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2

    Pct
    Nolva 20/20/20/20
    Daa 3/3/3/3/3
    Erase 0/0/1/1/1/1
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2/2
    Can you replace the epi with hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/100 and be good to go?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    Can you replace the epi with hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/100 and be good to go?
    yeppp

  12. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    Can you replace the epi with hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/100 and be good to go?
    Yes sir

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  14. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    Yep, need a serm. Licogenix is an AI and they do completely different things.

    You just need a serm and you would be good to go.

    Age? height? weight? Lifting experience?
    Thank you. 28, 180lbs and a 2 or 3 years. I try to be well educated in what I'm doing to get good gains and appreciate the info. I will run nolva with the dosage listed previously. Keep the licogenix in the cycle?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Jrhayes61 View Post
    Thank you. 28, 180lbs and a 2 or 3 years. I try to be well educated in what I'm doing to get good gains and appreciate the info. I will run nolva with the dosage listed previously. Keep the licogenix in the cycle?
    yes keep, dont use on cycle use during pct

  16. Test E(enanthate) Test cyp(cypionate)
    Chemical name: 17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
    Aromatize? Yes

    Standard cycle:
    Test (E, Cyp) dosed @ 500mg/week 250mg 2x week pin
    Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD( or ED, If gyno prone)
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day (ran through out cycle)
    Fish oil @ 3 a day
    Hawthorne berry @ recommended ( blood pressure)
    Saw Palmetto @ recommended (prostate)

    *If joints are sore or inflamed from AI up fish oil to 6 a day, or can use joint supplement.


    PCT:
    Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20(mg a day,per week)
    Clomid @ 100/50/50/25(mg a day, per week)
    Aromasin @ 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 First 2 weeks: EOD , Third week: E3D , Last week just once or twice.
    DAA @ 3/3/3/3/3/3 (3g a day)
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day for 6 weeks
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    I see you run aromasin and also like to run erase, or do you just pick one of them? Also do you think its better to run both Clomid and Nolva? (it was somewhat answered in 1 of the posts lol)

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Zeppelin215 View Post
    Test E(enanthate) Test cyp(cypionate)
    Chemical name: 17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
    Aromatize? Yes

    Standard cycle:
    Test (E, Cyp) dosed @ 500mg/week 250mg 2x week pin
    Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD( or ED, If gyno prone)
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day (ran through out cycle)
    Fish oil @ 3 a day
    Hawthorne berry @ recommended ( blood pressure)
    Saw Palmetto @ recommended (prostate)

    *If joints are sore or inflamed from AI up fish oil to 6 a day, or can use joint supplement.


    PCT:
    Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20(mg a day,per week)
    Clomid @ 100/50/50/25(mg a day, per week)
    Aromasin @ 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 First 2 weeks: EOD , Third week: E3D , Last week just once or twice.
    DAA @ 3/3/3/3/3/3 (3g a day)
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day for 6 weeks
    -----------------------------------------
    I see you run aromasin and also like to run erase, or do you just pick one of them? Also do you think its better to run both Clomid and Nolva? (it was somewhat answered in 1 of the posts lol)

    Aromasin during cycle and pct for injectables. And yes run both, Yes I did explain it somewhat in another answer but if you still need more clarification just ask.
  18. Question Cycle Havoc /Bold 200 Reversitl v2 & 6-bromo for pct


    What do you think about it for my first PH cycle?


    Week 1: 10mg Havoc, 200mg Bold
    Week 2: 10mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 3: 20mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 4: 20mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 5: 20mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 6: 20mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 7: 10mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 8: 10mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 9: -----------------------------100mg 6-Bromo, 3 caps Reversitol v2
    Week 10: ------------------------------50mg 6-Bromo, 3 caps Reversitol v2
    Week 11: ------------------------------50mg 6-Bromo, 3 caps Reversitol v2
    Week 12: ------------------------------50mg 6-Bromo, 2 caps Reversitol v2
    Week 13: ------------------------------50mg 6-Bromo, 1 caps Reversitol v2

  19. will be starting 5 week mechabol here shortly...has anybody stacked E-Spray w/ any PH that you know of?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332
    will be starting 5 week mechabol here shortly...has anybody stacked E-Spray w/ any PH that you know of?
    I've seen a few posts about thoughts on stacking it. haven't read a log though. I think it would stack amazingly especially if ran for two bottles

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Chipchop
    What do you think about it for my first PH cycle?

    Week 1: 10mg Havoc, 200mg Bold
    Week 2: 10mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 3: 20mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 4: 20mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 5: 20mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 6: 20mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 7: 10mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 8: 10mg Havoc, 200mg Bold, 50mg 6-Bromo
    Week 9: -----------------------------100mg 6-Bromo, 3 caps Reversitol v2
    Week 10: ------------------------------50mg 6-Bromo, 3 caps Reversitol v2
    Week 11: ------------------------------50mg 6-Bromo, 3 caps Reversitol v2
    Week 12: ------------------------------50mg 6-Bromo, 2 caps Reversitol v2
    Week 13: ------------------------------50mg 6-Bromo, 1 caps Reversitol v2
    sorry man but this is not an orthodox cycle. I'd continue researching

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Austinmck17

    I've seen a few posts about thoughts on stacking it. haven't read a log though. I think it would stack amazingly especially if ran for two bottles
    I was gonna run stano w/ it but now I'm looking at e-spray and am fairly interested it. I'll search around some other forums too for any reviews
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  23. This is an awesome post!! Helped me out a lot

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Austinmck17

    sorry man but this is not an orthodox cycle. I'd continue researching
    2x. Continue researching. Look at what i posted, and try to follow those guide lines.

  25. Ph: havoc & bold 200 during 8 weeks. Usualy havoc is 20/30/40/40 ed. But combining ir with bold 200 it' s no nesesari hight doses. Can someone confirm it?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Chipchop
    Ph: havoc & bold 200 during 8 weeks. Usualy havoc is 20/30/40/40 ed. But combining ir with bold 200 it' s no nesesari hight doses. Can someone confirm it?
    Just because your running another compound doesn't mean you cut the dosages.

    Is this your first cycle?

  27. Yes, its my first cycle . It was recommended for me by a "profesional" by I have a lot of dudes because I can't find any experience similar.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Chipchop
    Yes, its my first cycle . It was recommended for me by a "profesional" by I have a lot of dudes because I can't find any experience similar.
    Huh??

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Chipchop
    Yes, its my first cycle . It was recommended for me by a "profesional" by I have a lot of dudes because I can't find any experience similar.
    I'm Ron Burgndy???
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    sean@ControlledLabs.com
    CONTROLLED LABS products are produced in a GMP for Sport certified facility.

  30. I think we need to get some history and or experience info from Gregg since he is advising everyone on their cycles. Its appreciated but need to know who where taking advice from.

  31. In for later read

  32. Quote Originally Posted by xFireBullx View Post
    In for later read

  33. Great post. Just started my first cycle, Test E 400. Looks almost identical to your post other than im using adex instead.

  34. Quote Originally Posted by LostSoldier View Post
    Great post. Just started my first cycle, Test E 400. Looks almost identical to your post other than im using adex instead.
    adex is ok for on cycle, just don't use during pct.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    There are a lot of posts asking what PH/ injectible one should use for your first cycle and what they should do for PCT, So I thought I would help.

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    Pro hormones (PH)
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    Halodrol (Hdrol)
    Chemical name: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
    Aromatize? No

    Standard Cycle:
    Halodrol dosed @ 50/50/75/75/75/75 or 50/75/75/75/75/75(mg a day)
    Cycle assist @ recommended

    Could throw in liver support even tho many cycle assists have it. Liv52(which I would recommend) or Milk thistle

    *even though Halodrol does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.


    PCT:
    Serm: Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) or Torem (Toremifene Citrate) NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Nolvadex @ 20/20/20/20 or 20/20/10/10 (don't need to taper but you can If you want)(doses are in mg a day)
    Test booster: most commonly used is DAA run 1 week past end of nolvadex or torem, dosed at 3g ED(everyday)
    Aromatase Inhibitor: Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1(those are in caps per day and weeks are seperated by "/") Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100 ( that is in mg , if it is Formasurge or Formeron just use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM, it can also be Forma Stanzol) No need to taper erase since it is a suicide AI.


    *Prolactin related gyno is still possible in PCT(rare) but if you ran a product for prolactin during cycle it is highly recommended you run through PCT.



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    Promagnon (pmag)
    Chemical name: 4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Andro-4-Ene-3,17b-Diol
    Aromatize? No

    Standard Cycle:
    Pmag dosed @ 50/50/75/75/75/75 or 50/75/75/75/75/75 or could start off with a 5 week cycle 50/75/75/75/75(mg a day)
    Cycle assist @ recommended

    Could throw in liver support even tho many cycle assists have it. Liv52(which I would recommend) or Milk thistle

    *even though Pmag does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.


    PCT:
    Serm: Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) or Torem (Toremifene Citrate) NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Nolvadex @ 20/20/20/20 or 20/20/10/10 (don't need to taper but you can If you want)(doses are in mg a day)
    Test booster: most commonly used is DAA run 1 week past end of nolvadex or torem, dosed at 3g ED(everyday)
    Aromatase Inhibitor: Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1(those are in caps per day and weeks are seperated by "/") Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100 ( that is in mg , if it is Formasurge or Formeron just use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM, it can also be Forma Stanzol) No need to taper erase since it is a suicide AI.


    *Prolactin related gyno is still possible in PCT(rare) but if you ran a product for prolactin during cycle it is highly recommended you run through PCT.



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    Epistane (Epi)
    Chemical name: 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol / 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol
    Aromatize? No


    Standard Cycle:
    Epistane dosed @ 30/30/40/40/40/40 or 30/40/40/40/40/40(mg a day)
    cycle assist @ recommended

    Could throw in liver support even tho many cycle assists have it. Liv52(which I would recommend) or Milk thistle

    *even though epistane does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.

    PCT:
    Serm: Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) or Torem (Toremifene Citrate) NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Nolvadex @ 20/20/20/20 or 20/20/10/10 (don't need to taper but you can If you want)(doses are in mg a day)
    Test booster: most commonly used is DAA run 1 week past end of nolvadex or torem, dosed at 3g ED(everyday)
    Aromatase Inhibitor: Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1(those are in caps per day and weeks are seperated by "/") Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100 ( that is in mg , if it is Formasurge or Formeron just use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM, it can also be Forma Stanzol) No need to taper erase since it is a suicide AI.


    *Prolactin related gyno is still possible in PCT(rare) but if you ran a product for prolactin during cycle it is highly recommended you run through PCT.



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    Injectibles
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    Test E(enanthate) Test cyp(cypionate)
    Chemical name: 17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
    Aromatize? Yes

    Standard cycle:
    Test (E, Cyp) dosed @ 500mg/week 250mg 2x week pin
    Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD( or ED, If gyno prone)
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day (ran through out cycle)
    Fish oil @ 3 a day
    Hawthorne berry @ recommended ( blood pressure)
    Saw Palmetto @ recommended (prostate)

    *If joints are sore or inflamed from AI up fish oil to 6 a day, or can use joint supplement.


    PCT:
    Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20(mg a day,per week)
    Clomid @ 100/50/50/25(mg a day, per week)
    Aromasin @ 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 (no need to taper since its a suicide AI)
    DAA @ 3/3/3/3/3/3 (3g a day)
    Inhibit-P @ 2 caps a day for 6 weeks


    * PCT starts times:
    Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
    Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection


    *common needle sizes 1"(quad, glutes, shoulders) 1.5"(glutes) 5/8" (Shoulders) needles between 22-25g



    These are just the most common used compounds for beginners if anyone would like to see other commonly used compounds let me know.

    These are just guide lines to help you build a cycle and PCT, I am not held accountable for any side effects, or damage done to your bodies.

    If anyone has questions or see a problem or would like me to change something let me know! thanks.
    What's the suggested torem dose with an hdrol cycle going up to 100mg ed?

  36. Been reading my big anabolics edition book trying to learn as mich as possible.

    Can you help me answer why Nolva would or would not be recommended while on cycle? Hepatoxity, prolonged use of it on cycle and pct, etc.... Just curious

  37. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    What's the suggested torem dose with an hdrol cycle going up to 100mg ed?
    90/60/60/30

  38. Quote Originally Posted by Red9
    Been reading my big anabolics edition book trying to learn as mich as possible.

    Can you help me answer why Nolva would or would not be recommended while on cycle? Hepatoxity, prolonged use of it on cycle and pct, etc.... Just curious
    Sorry I didn't mention a couple things. Cycle being Test E and Nolva instead of Aromasin, why can't u substitute?
  

  
 

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