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  1. I have some questions:

    1.) If I were to run Test E, for pct I noticed you put up both clomid AND nolva..so do you choose one or the other, or do u actually run them both?

    2.) What are the major differences between Test C and E?

    3.) Would something like AI's cycle/life support be more effective for protection, or are the listed supports for Test E cycle u listed all u truly need??

    Sorry for all the lame questions lol I am trying to learn about Test as much as possible..


  2. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494

    Nope, nolva or torem, i still have to add torem...
    Any reason for that? Was going to run clomid w first hdrol cycle, still have a.lot to learn I guess...
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  3. Another question: will/can Toco-8 or Propecia keep the hair on my head? I like my hair lol

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Red9 View Post
    I have some questions:

    1.) If I were to run Test E, for pct I noticed you put up both clomid AND nolva..so do you choose one or the other, or do u actually run them both?

    2.) What are the major differences between Test C and E?

    3.) Would something like AI's cycle/life support be more effective for protection, or are the listed supports for Test E cycle u listed all u truly need??

    Sorry for all the lame questions lol I am trying to learn about Test as much as possible..
    1.) If I were to run Test E, for pct I noticed you put up both clomid AND nolva..so do you choose one or the other, or do u actually run them both?
    Run both. If you are wondering why just ask

    2.) What are the major differences between Test C and E?
    The difference between test c(testosterone + cypionate ester) and test e(testosterone + enanthate ester) are the esters/ester length.

    3.) Would something like AI's cycle/life support be more effective for protection, or are the listed supports for Test E cycle u listed all u truly need??
    AI's life support would be great for a cycle. (wasn't trying to promote a single company, even tho I said SNS lol)

  5. Awesome thank you. I'll ask then ha, why both clomid and nolva?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Any reason for that? Was going to run clomid w first hdrol cycle, still have a.lot to learn I guess...
    The reason I did that is because Nolvadex is a much better SERM, what I mean by that is Nolvadex is more effective in actually attaching to the estrogen receptor. While as Clomid is also a SERM, it is slightly less effective at actually acting as a SERM. Clomid is used more to stimulate the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of FSH and LH occurs. By doing this, the result is an elevated endogenous testosterone level.

    Down side to Nolvadex is that it can up reguate the progesterone receptors making Nolvadex a less than ideal PCT choice for progesterone based compounds such as Tren. While Clomid does not.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Red9 View Post
    Awesome thank you. I'll ask then ha, why both clomid and nolva?
    Ill say the same thing to you as I said to uvawahoowa and If you have any questions feel free to ask.

    The reason I did that is because Nolvadex is a much better SERM, what I mean by that is Nolvadex is more effective in actually attaching to the estrogen receptor. While as Clomid is also a SERM, it is slightly less effective at actually acting as a SERM. Clomid is used more to stimulate the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of FSH and LH occurs. By doing this, the result is an elevated endogenous testosterone level.

    Down side to Nolvadex is that it can up reguate the progesterone receptors making Nolvadex a less than ideal PCT choice for progesterone based compounds such as Tren. While Clomid does not.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Red9 View Post
    Another question: will/can Toco-8 or Propecia keep the hair on my head? I like my hair lol
    Toco 8 is a very good vitamin E supplement and should be effective at keeping hair/slowing shedding and thickening existing hair. Toco 8 can also be ran year round.

  9. Bookmarked...thanks for putting this together. Will likely run something off this list in a few months.

  10. I'm impressed your pretty knowledgeable on this subject

  11. [QUOTE=gregg1494;3634748]T

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    Epistane (Epi)
    Chemical name: 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol / 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol
    Aromatize? No


    Standard Cycle:
    Epistane dosed @ 30/30/40/40/40/40 or 30/40/40/40/40/40(mg a day)
    cycle assist @ recommended

    Could throw in liver support even tho many cycle assists have it. Liv52(which I would recommend) or Milk thistle

    *even though epistane does not aromatize gynecomastia(gyno) is still concern. Prolactin related gyno is still possible(rare) Inhibit-P by SNS will prevent this, If used run 2 caps a day through cycle.

    PCT:
    Serm: Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) or Torem (Toremifene Citrate) NO SERM NO CYCLE!
    Nolvadex @ 20/20/20/20 or 20/20/10/10 (don't need to taper but you can If you want)(doses are in mg a day)
    Test booster: most commonly used is DAA run 1 week past end of nolvadex or torem, dosed at 3g ED(everyday)
    Aromatase Inhibitor: Erase dosed 0/0/3/3/2/1(those are in caps per day and weeks are seperated by "/") Formastane dosed @ 0/0/200/200/100/100 ( that is in mg , if it is Formasurge or Formeron just use the needed pumps for it to be the mg dosage and split in AM and PM, it can also be Forma Stanzol)


    *Prolactin related gyno is still possible in PCT(rare) but if you ran a product for prolactin during cycle it is highly recommended you run through PCT.

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    I'm doing my research regarding Epistane which I'm interested in running, but i will take for only 4 weeks as it's my 1st cycle, based on your info which is very interesting i have some questions:
    - I will be running Epistane with Nolvadex (20/20/10/10) although i was only able to find Nolva 20mg each...what should i do?
    - Please take a look at my cycle and give me your suggestions:
    Wk 1-4 epi (how many mg/week?)
    Wk 5-8 Nolva (20/20/10/10)
    wk 4-8 Daa (3mg everyday)
    Erase pro (please recommend when should i start)
    Inhibit-P (please recommend when to start and how many caps)

    Really appreciate if i could get some comments.

  12. What about sus 300 for a beginner... As in I have no clue about anything lol.... I'm trying to learn but this is fat more complicated than I had ever expected.

  13. If there tabs and you don't want to split them no big deal, you can run 20/20/20/20

    Honesty I would go no less then 5 weeks. I know with beginners there concern is side effects. But unless you are dosing high or running longer you should be just fine. Of you were to run a 4 week cycle I would go 30/40/40/40 or if you think you can 30/40/40/50. If 5 weeks 30/40/40/40/40

    Start daa (3g)day one of pct and run till one week after end of nolva.

    Start erase pro week 3 of pct and run one week past end of daa. Run 1 cap a day

    Run inhibit p 2 caps a day from day one of pct. if you can afford it run during cycle too.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by smith139
    What about sus 300 for a beginner... As in I have no clue about anything lol.... I'm trying to learn but this is fat more complicated than I had ever expected.
    age? height? weight? lifting experience?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494

    age? height? weight? lifting experience?
    I'm 25 6'5 202 9.5-10% body fat. As far as lifting experience goes I'm real into cardio based lifting like crossfit and supersets mainly because I'm a firefighter and that Is what I need. but over the last 6 months my cardio is amazing but my strength and overall appearance has seemed to take a pause. I have even started counting calories.... Every single one of those little bastards lol

  16. Quote Originally Posted by smith139 View Post
    I'm 25 6'5 202 9.5-10% body fat. As far as lifting experience goes I'm real into cardio based lifting like crossfit and supersets mainly because I'm a firefighter and that Is what I need. but over the last 6 months my cardio is amazing but my strength and overall appearance has seemed to take a pause. I have even started counting calories.... Every single one of those little bastards lol
    kcals a day? macros?

  17. What about Mechabol? I know it's basically what P-Mag converts into. Would it then be a good first cycle for beginners as well?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Racinjetford
    What about Mechabol? I know it's basically what P-Mag converts into. Would it then be a good first cycle for beginners as well?
    That is fine

  19. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    If there tabs and you don't want to split them no big deal, you can run 20/20/20/20

    Honesty I would go no less then 5 weeks. I know with beginners there concern is side effects. But unless you are dosing high or running longer you should be just fine. Of you were to run a 4 week cycle I would go 30/40/40/40 or if you think you can 30/40/40/50. If 5 weeks 30/40/40/40/40

    Start daa (3g)day one of pct and run till one week after end of nolva.

    Start erase pro week 3 of pct and run one week past end of daa. Run 1 cap a day

    Run inhibit p 2 caps a day from day one of pct. if you can afford it run during cycle too.
    Thanks, based on your comments this is wht will be the whole cycle:
    Wk 1-5 Epi (30/40/40/40/40)
    Wk 6-9 Nolva (20/20/20/20)
    Wk 6-10 Daa (3mg ed)
    Wk 8-9 Erase pro (1 cap/day)
    Wk 1-9 Inhibit-P (2 caps/day)

    Considering to add Liv52 or Milk thistle one week b4 Cycle and during PCT.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Lagartizscha

    Thanks, based on your comments this is wht will be the whole cycle:
    Wk 1-5 Epi (30/40/40/40/40)
    Wk 6-9 Nolva (20/20/20/20)
    Wk 6-10 Daa (3mg ed)
    Wk 8-9 Erase pro (1 cap/day)
    Wk 1-9 Inhibit-P (2 caps/day)

    Considering to add Liv52 or Milk thistle one week b4 Cycle and during PCT.
    Almost,

    Epi 30/40/40/40/40
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2

    Pct
    Nolva 20/20/20/20
    Daa 3/3/3/3/3
    Erase 0/0/1/1/1/1
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2/2

  21. Doing a little research on Epistane and found "the perfect cycle" with epistane, licogenix, titanium and organ shield. Contrary to the name looks like I'm missing a proper serm, such as nolva? Or is the licogenix strong enough? 1st ph cycle, have done a few different test boosters but want to take the next step.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jrhayes61
    Doing a little research on Epistane and found "the perfect cycle" with epistane, licogenix, titanium and organ shield. Contrary to the name looks like I'm missing a proper serm, such as nolva? Or is the licogenix strong enough? 1st ph cycle, have done a few different test boosters but want to take the next step.
    that's just advertisement. you can use those products but you still need a serm, and all titanium did was make me horny
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Jrhayes61
    Doing a little research on Epistane and found "the perfect cycle" with epistane, licogenix, titanium and organ shield. Contrary to the name looks like I'm missing a proper serm, such as nolva? Or is the licogenix strong enough? 1st ph cycle, have done a few different test boosters but want to take the next step.
    Yep, need a serm. Licogenix is an AI and they do completely different things.

    You just need a serm and you would be good to go.

    Age? height? weight? Lifting experience?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    Almost,

    Epi 30/40/40/40/40
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2

    Pct
    Nolva 20/20/20/20
    Daa 3/3/3/3/3
    Erase 0/0/1/1/1/1
    Inhibit p 2/2/2/2/2/2

    Sweeeet!
    Tks
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