Clen only cycle for fat loss
- 09-05-2012, 03:18 PM
- 09-05-2012, 04:03 PM
Sure, use clen. Clen is anti-catabolic so no real need to worry about burning muscle for fuel. Dose as you see fit, you'll start low, say 20 or 40mcg to start, then build up to your tolerance level within the first week. Run 2 weeks, then stop for 2 weeks; repeat. You can buy ketotifen which would allow you to run clen non-stop. 1ml ketotifen daily.
- 09-05-2012, 04:24 PM
09-05-2012, 04:27 PM
So if I was to run it two week on two week off do I still need to get ketotifen??? Also when I build upto my tolerance do I maintain at that level till the end of the two week period????Originally Posted by Rhadam
09-05-2012, 05:02 PM
No, i said you can buy ketotifen and run non-stop or you can run 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Yes you maintain your max dosage until you stop. Most likely the second 2 weeks you run you will start higher and reach your max dosage much quicker. My recommendation is that you split your doses during the day. I don't care for the tabs as it's harder to micro dose, some people start out at 20mcg daily, split dose. The is basically not possible with a 40mcg tab. Take half a tab day 1 to assess tolerance. Next day maybe take 1 tab split dose.
09-05-2012, 05:03 PM
09-05-2012, 05:07 PM
Clen will not shield your muscles from catabolism if you are calorie restricted and doing cardio -- there is a definite risk in that regard. Cutting BF Naturally is very difficult if you do not have elite genetics and also maintained a low BF% to begin with.
Hormonal assistance would help, but if you do not go that route just be warned.
Perhaps something like EndoAMP Max could help fight off cortisol via - phosphatidyl serine content. Something to consider.
Body Problem Mechanic
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09-05-2012, 05:09 PM
09-05-2012, 05:16 PM
09-05-2012, 05:22 PM
When I was on my clen I did the tough mudder in CO this year... didn't have but One cramp and was at a dosage at 75. No I was not hydrated very well and I hate bananas lol. I don't get cramps on it oddly enough, I love how I feel.
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09-05-2012, 05:59 PM
09-05-2012, 06:01 PM
Ok I'm kinda guessing the picture... So I'm supposed to supplement with taurine and drink plenty of water.. And won't forget the bananas... Good job I blend one in with my shake post workout...
09-05-2012, 06:05 PM
09-05-2012, 06:42 PM
My main goal is to get bigger. But I may look into Clen also to get leaner and stay lean. I like the idea and I think it would help cut the last bit of fat I am trying to get rid of.
09-05-2012, 06:52 PM
So is mine... Getting big is of course the ultimate target.... But my first plan is to strip that fat away... Once I get that target done then I'll start the getting bigger plan...Originally Posted by TheGnome
09-05-2012, 08:38 PM
Just food for thought: It's harder to maintain being lean while bulking than it is to simply bulk then cut.
09-05-2012, 08:45 PM
Isn't it easier to do a cut if the bulk didn't really add too much fat... I mean keep the body at around 12-14%... Plus I think you get a better idea of what areas to really concentrate on when u lean out first before u do a bulk... I mite be wrong... Still kind of a newbie...Originally Posted by Rhadam
09-05-2012, 08:59 PM
09-05-2012, 09:16 PM
09-05-2012, 10:01 PM
Originally Posted by Rhadam
I See your point... I guess it all starts with each ones priority... I am currently on abt 14% but wanna get down to around 10% before I go on a bulk...
09-05-2012, 11:12 PM
09-06-2012, 12:00 PM
I would love to do a bulk at 14%... But I just seem to be putting on excess fat in all the wrong places... And I eat clean... And weight and count everything... Slow bulking is the only thing that works for me...Originally Posted by Rhadam
09-06-2012, 12:03 PM
40mcg pills...fuk that's a ruff start!
I stopped CLEN third day when I got up to 40
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09-06-2012, 12:16 PM
Im currently at 80mcg liquid clen and have shakiness n some cramps but i kinda like it lol ya i know thats a problem
09-06-2012, 12:19 PM
09-06-2012, 12:22 PM
Only on first week but noticing that my veins are coming through on my arms. Wife says that my belly fat has gone down alittle. Im happy with it so far knowing by the snd of week two i should see really good resultsOriginally Posted by Mkspillai
09-06-2012, 12:24 PM
Are you doing the 2week on 2 week off??? Have u had any cramps on it??? Taking any supplements with it???Originally Posted by fame126
09-06-2012, 12:32 PM
I was worried that I might actually die. I was getting close to calling 911.Originally Posted by fame126
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09-06-2012, 01:06 PM
Yep 2 on 2 off taking bcaas and protein only. I do have occasional cramps not too bad thoOriginally Posted by Mkspillai
09-06-2012, 01:07 PM
09-06-2012, 04:08 PM
09-06-2012, 04:21 PM
09-06-2012, 04:34 PM
09-06-2012, 04:47 PM
09-06-2012, 05:39 PM
I've used clen 4 different times. First two with 20mcg tabs that I went up to 120mcg/day and only got some headache issues with great fat loss.
The next two attempts were with research chems and each time I had to stop. Even tried using only 40mcg, but I would cramp, get sinus inflammation/headache and an occasional chest pain right where the heart is located. That was enough for me personally to not use clen anymore.
Just another example of how individuals differ and even change with time, as the two different scenarios above were separated by 6-7yrs.
I've tried albuterol and it is much more mild than clen; however, the results are less impressive.
09-07-2012, 06:08 PM
Yes it is much easier to get fat than it is to stay lean while gaining muscle.......
Gaining excess fat in off-season will result in a greater risk in losing ANY accrued muscle gains you made in off-season due to cutting off that excess blubber you gained.
I have witness several times people 'thinking' they gained lots of new muscle in off-season as they sky-rocketed to 15,16,20 % BF --- losing abs, excess lower back fat etc.... all to diet the new gains away to reach competition level BF%....
Had they been mentally tough and strict even during off-season, and kept BF in the 11-12% range....they would have had to do LESS cardio, LESS calorie restricting and not be so aggressive with fat - loss agents etc.. and feel worn out from a 16 week prep.
Body Problem Mechanic
National Level Competitor.
09-07-2012, 08:22 PM
That's what I thought... I wanted to get as lean as possible and then start a bulk where I can keep my bf at abt 12-14%... That made more sense to me than bulking first and then planning a cut... Hard to know what the bulk is..Originally Posted by MattPorter
09-07-2012, 11:08 PM
Suffer now.. and live like a champion later.
09-08-2012, 06:38 AM
While i agree with you on the prep part, not everyone does shows. My last prep was living hell, i bulked late and i paid for it with a 12 week nightmare cut. I ran multiple compounds and was able to save almost all muscle while cutting fat, but i hated every minute of it. For the rest of the guys who simply want to be big in the gym, our situation really doesn't apply.
09-08-2012, 06:41 AM
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