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    A little help on first cycle please


    Done a hell of a lot of research and this will be my first go at anabolics. I know the sd is strong for a first go but I'm gonna do it just want to make sure I have everything in check

    Going to do a 15 week cycle of test e (250 twice per week) with a Superdrol kicker in week 1-4 or should I do it 2-5?

    Preloading for 1 week with either cycle assist or cycle support

    Throughout cycle and pct I will be taking:
    Cycle assist or cycle support
    Fish oil ~5g/day
    Multi
    Creatine? (not sure if I should keep taking while on)

    Week 1-4 or 2-5
    SD 20/20/20/20

    Week 1-15
    Test E 250 twice per week (monday/Thursday)

    PCT:
    Nolva 40/20/20/10
    DAA 3/3/3/3/3/3
    Erase 3/3/2/2/1/1

    Should I run some erase or another AI towards the end of the cycle such as in week 10 or so? Or should I look more into letro and use as needed?

    I am 5'7" 170lbs and a hard gainer. I eat roughly 3.5 calories per day, high protein high carb and moderate fat. Basically as much food as I can and still have very visible 6 pack. Goal is strength and to keep around 20lbs at the least after pct and all is complete

    How does it look? Still getting everything together

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    Have aromasin on hand for sure, but don't use it unless you start to see any estro sides. 15 weeks is long for first cycle you may want to do 10-12 weeks and sd should be easier on you since you have a test base. You "may" want to do 10/20/20/20 just to feel it out though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5
    Have aromasin on hand for sure, but don't use it unless you start to see any estro sides. 15 weeks is long for first cycle you may want to do 10-12 weeks and sd should be easier on you since you have a test base. You "may" want to do 10/20/20/20 just to feel it out though
    Gotcha. Thanks for the help man. I will check into aromasin. I will probably see how it goes for the first 10 weeks and if sides aren't bad I'll go further
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12

    Gotcha. Thanks for the help man. I will check into aromasin. I will probably see how it goes for the first 10 weeks and if sides aren't bad I'll go further
    Good luck! Get the aromasin saved me on my cycle, 4 weeks in and nips hurt and bloated up 25 pounds. Got on the aromasin nip pain gone and lost 10 pounds of water. Kill it dude!
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    I would run your PCT 5-6 weeks. Everything else looks great! I am not sure what your goals are, but maybe have some aromasin on hand for the cycle in case the bloat gets bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12
    Done a hell of a lot of research and this will be my first go at anabolics. I know the sd is strong for a first go but I'm gonna do it just want to make sure I have everything in check

    Going to do a 15 week cycle of test e (250 twice per week) with a Superdrol kicker in week 1-4 or should I do it 2-5?

    Preloading for 1 week with either cycle assist or cycle support

    Throughout cycle and pct I will be taking:
    Cycle assist or cycle support
    Fish oil ~5g/day
    Multi
    Creatine? (not sure if I should keep taking while on)

    Week 1-4 or 2-5
    SD 20/20/20/20

    Week 1-15
    Test E 250 twice per week (monday/Thursday)

    PCT:
    Nolva 40/20/20/10
    DAA 3/3/3/3/3/3
    Erase 3/3/2/2/1/1

    Should I run some erase or another AI towards the end of the cycle such as in week 10 or so? Or should I look more into letro and use as needed?

    I am 5'7" 170lbs and a hard gainer. I eat roughly 3.5 calories per day, high protein high carb and moderate fat. Basically as much food as I can and still have very visible 6 pack. Goal is strength and to keep around 20lbs at the least after pct and all is complete

    How does it look? Still getting everything together

    First how old are u?i have a few things on difference of opinions. First is if I had the opportunity to go back I would have run a 8-10 week cycle instead of 12 weeks on my current first run. If you decide to go 15 you should look into gains made after a 8-10 week test cycle. I dont think the gains made are worth the diminishing return by making a long run. Second why nolva? Seems everyone is all about clomid so unsure of your dosage. I think I read somewhere that 20 mg of nolva was equal to 150mg of clomid. So IMO your pct looks g2g.
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    22 years old been lifting for 3 years. And I mean consistent, not off and on. I've gained about 50 since I started
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    Also if you run 15 weeks HCG is probably something your gonna need to not hate yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5
    Also if you run 15 weeks HCG is probably something your gonna need to not hate yourself
    I'm thinking of knockin it down to 12 weeks. However, I'd only purchase bottles that would be enough for 10 weeks @ 2 pins/week. Should I do 2 pins per week for first 8 weeks then 1 pin the next 4 weeks? Or just go with 2 per week for 10 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12

    I'm thinking of knockin it down to 12 weeks. However, I'd only purchase bottles that would be enough for 10 weeks @ 2 pins/week. Should I do 2 pins per week for first 8 weeks then 1 pin the next 4 weeks? Or just go with 2 per week for 10 weeks?
    2 per week for 10 weeks would be your best bet, as had been said after 10 weeks risk to reward is not in your favor all the time. You'll see tremendous gains by 10 weeks
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    Is there anything I should do after the SD is done? Or does all pct take place after the cycle is fully over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12
    Is there anything I should do after the SD is done? Or does all pct take place after the cycle is fully over?
    Wait until the entire cycle is done. Pct will get your endocrine system up and running again and you don't want to mess with that while the cycle is still going. Just make sure you have your supports for sd and make sure you take them religiously
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    Alright. I think I'm going to go with cycle support

    I really appreciate your help man!
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    I have a few questions for you.
    Why do you want to run test at 500mg?
    Why are you running a 15 week cycle for your first cycle?
    Why do you want to run superdrol your first cycle?
    Why not a 10-12 week cycle?
    Why not a more mild kickstart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    I have a few questions for you.
    Why do you want to run test at 500mg?
    Why are you running a 15 week cycle for your first cycle?
    Why do you want to run superdrol your first cycle?
    Why not a 10-12 week cycle?
    Why not a more mild kickstart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    I have a few questions for you.
    Why do you want to run test at 500mg?
    Why are you running a 15 week cycle for your first cycle?
    Why do you want to run superdrol your first cycle?
    Why not a 10-12 week cycle?
    Why not a more mild kickstart?
    He said he is only gonna do 10 now.
    What's wrong with 500mg?
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    Everything the OP listed is a typical First Cycle.
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    10-12 weeks of test @ 500mg e/d with sd weeks 1-4 @ 20mg e/d. 10mg am, 10mg 6-8hrs later.

    I would use something on cycle to keep estrogen under control. I recomend formasurge from bps as well as grab a bottle of inhibit-p from sns to run on cycle. (10 weeks, may want to grab 3)

    keeping estrogen and prolactin under control on cycle will make pct a lot easier.


    cycle assist for the entire cycle.

    pct looks good.
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    im no steroid pro myself but i agree with going a more conservitive rout. risk to rewards remeber that ur pretty young and u got a long time to make gains and run cycles. if this is ur first play it safe ur nuts will thank u.
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    prob be better for op to get some test p and run for 8 weeks. but w/e.
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    I think it overall looks good in my opinion, sd won't be so harsh since he is on test. 500mg a week is a basic start. He will be fine as long as he has AI on hand
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    Found some anastrazole 1mg Think I'll use that as an on-hand AI during cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12
    Found some anastrazole 1mg Think I'll use that as an on-hand AI during cycle
    Should be good, I used exemestane but adex will be just fine
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    I am a less is more kind of guy and I am pretty sure 300-400mg would be enough to notice pretty decent gains. Also make sure you have a 2 week gap between the last inject and pct. From what I have read dbol or tbol are more mild on sides then SD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    He said he is only gonna do 10 now.
    What's wrong with 500mg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    I am a less is more kind of guy and I am pretty sure 300-400mg would be enough to notice pretty decent gains. Also make sure you have a 2 week gap between the last inject and pct. From what I have read dbol or tbol are more mild on sides then SD.
    Most people could probably get away at that dose, I guess 500 is pretty standard though.
    Dbol would be easier probably but if he already has sd sides should be fairly minimal with a test base
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    Personally I would recommend low dose SD with a test base over d Bol + test any day. Simply for the fact that most gains of a dbol kicker arent kept, and the bloat/estro sides just dont seem worth it to me. Just my opinion though. Your diet and training is going to determine your gains not how long you run your cycle man. I'm in week 10 of test e solo and still seeing plenty of gains on a calorie deficit. Whatever you decide to do be careful read up and good luck.
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    Strong bump lol but I am starting this cycle today. Just wanted to ask a question about preworkout etc... I was going to take my first SD pill here in about an hour and pin and then hit the gym. I will not be taking any preworkout with stimulants however can I still use hemavol or NO3 chrome while on this cycle?

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    Also I got test cyp instead of test e.. Both are long esters so dosage should stay the same? 500 ml per week (250 twice a week)
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12
    Strong bump lol but I am starting this cycle today. Just wanted to ask a question about preworkout etc... I was going to take my first SD pill here in about an hour and pin and then hit the gym. I will not be taking any preworkout with stimulants however can I still use hemavol or NO3 chrome while on this cycle?

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    Also I got test cyp instead of test e.. Both are long esters so dosage should stay the same? 500 ml per week (250 twice a week)
    Yes same dose for test C as the Test E.

    I wouldn't take the preworkout. After about 5 days the SD will kick in and a SD pump plus a PWO drink = painful pumps... even crippling
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave

    Yes same dose for test C as the Test E.

    I wouldn't take the preworkout. After about 5 days the SD will kick in and a SD pump plus a PWO drink = painful pumps... even crippling
    Alright I appreciate that! I'm eating my preworkout meal about 2 hours before working out and take the SD about 1 hour before and then I take the 2nd dose of SD around 4-5 hours after I leave the gym
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12

    Alright I appreciate that! I'm eating my preworkout meal about 2 hours before working out and take the SD about 1 hour before and then I take the 2nd dose of SD around 4-5 hours after I leave the gym
    Good that sound about right. Its how I would do it.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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    Pinned for the first time yesterday... I've done it to many different people but doing it myself was harder than I thought... Hand was shaking the whole time and definitely moved it around way to much. I can feel it today. I appreciate everyone's help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12
    Pinned for the first time yesterday... I've done it to many different people but doing it myself was harder than I thought... Hand was shaking the whole time and definitely moved it around way to much. I can feel it today. I appreciate everyone's help!
    Where you pinning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494
    Where you pinning?
    Glutes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12

    Glutes!
    Give quads a try should be easier to place needle and keep muscle relaxed.
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    I feel like my legs are too small. I mean I have alot of muscle there but just a small frame if you know what I mean. 5'7" 167 lbs as of now
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    I cant imagine your legs are that small to where an inch needle would cause any problems. But since this is your first cycle do what ever you feel comfortable with. If glutes are working do glutes.
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    Just wondering.... Is there anything wrong if I pinned my glute today and am working legs today as well? Yea there's a little pain but I was jus wondering if its not recommended?
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolegame12
    Just wondering.... Is there anything wrong if I pinned my glute today and am working legs today as well? Yea there's a little pain but I was jus wondering if its not recommended?
    No some people like that so they can work the oil in more. If you pin then sit on ass all day it will get really really tight
  

  
 

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