Public is ignorant on steroids

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Thomasxavier
    I had the same perception the public did, that steroids are evil, and everyone who uses them looks retarded (because, face it, science backs what I am bout to say: when you are too big, it is not considered attractive generally. No reason to fight me, you'd have to fight science. I get a lot of steroid users goals are not to be considered attractive, but to be huge. Just saying though).

    But then I said f it, and was able to legally obtain a prescription for testosterone cypionate. Knew long, long in advance the protocols, such as taking nolva and clomid for a PCT, as well as how long to do a cycle, and at what dose. Decided to do it. Beforehand, my fiance told me she would break up with me if I ever did steroids. I told her "don't worry, it's testosterone, not steroids" (lol). Long story short, she doesn't care 5 weeks in, and actually says she doesn't care to even talk about it, because it isn't very interesting. She does however like giving injections (she is going in the medical field), so I'd say she's made quite a 180 degree turn.

    Just like me.

    I still side with science though, that too big is as bad as too small. IMO, at 5'11, 185 lbs with single digit body fat is the ideal, perfect size and weight. Many will disagree, but that doesn't matter much.
    Well dude that is YOUR opinion but If science really does back you I'd like to see a peer reviewed study that too big is unattractive. Do you think Jay Cutlers wife thinks he's unattractive?? Everyone is different with different goals and different attractions so I do t see how science could back what you say.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Well dude that is YOUR opinion but If science really does back you I'd like to see a peer reviewed study that too big is unattractive. Do you think Jay Cutlers wife thinks he's unattractive?? Everyone is different with different goals and different attractions so I do t see how science could back what you say.
    An empirical peer reviewed study for me
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  3. i weigh 190-200 on gear and am i too big? I get the gh/insulin jay cutler look is just wrong but arnolds look was sick and he was huge, the guys are too big these days
    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Well dude that is YOUR opinion but If science really does back you I'd like to see a peer reviewed study that too big is unattractive. Do you think Jay Cutlers wife thinks he's unattractive?? Everyone is different with different goals and different attractions so I do t see how science could back what you say.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mls51112 View Post
    you guys know why steroids are illegal? it's because law enforcement and "higher ups" don't want civilians to be bigger and stronger than them and kick their butts hehe. they want us to be weak and die off.. it's all part of their big plan, haha. I'm crazy, I know.. had to say it though.
    It really has more to do with sports than anything else. Once they started using them in the Olympics, giving users an advantage over non-users, they had to do something to level the playing field. At first they said they didn't work. It didn't take long for people to see through that deception. Then they started to demonize them via the media. Most people beleive what they hear and see on TV as long as they consider the source reasonably credible.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Well dude that is YOUR opinion but If science really does back you I'd like to see a peer reviewed study that too big is unattractive. Do you think Jay Cutlers wife thinks he's unattractive?? Everyone is different with different goals and different attractions so I do t see how science could back what you say.
    I think you know what he is trying to say. By the mainstream definition, too big is unattractive. 99% of women would find jay Cutler disgusting

  6. I think most women would find today's BB too big. But then again most people do it for themselves not for the ladies.

    Then again Arnold was huge and tons of women loved him. It's probe my more proportion than it is pure size

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Husker89
    i weigh 190-200 on gear and am i too big? I get the gh/insulin jay cutler look is just wrong but arnolds look was sick and he was huge, the guys are too big these days
    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    I think you know what he is trying to say. By the mainstream definition, too big is unattractive. 99% of women would find jay Cutler disgusting
    You guys missed my point. He was stating that science backed what he was saying and I was merely using cutler and his wife as an example. Do you think his wife thinks he's unattractive? I doubt it. Mainstream definition and scientific studies are two vastly different things. While I agree that the pros are far too big there are still the girls that find it attractive.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    You guys missed my point. He was stating that science backed what he was saying and I was merely using cutler and his wife as an example. Do you think his wife thinks he's unattractive? I doubt it. Mainstream definition and scientific studies are two vastly different things. While I agree that the pros are far too big there are still the girls that find it attractive.
    There are also guys that think 600+ pound women are attractive. I don't see your point

  9. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    There are also guys that think 600+ pound women are attractive. I don't see your point
    My point was I highly doubt that there is any scientific evidence that too big is unattractive as everyone has different attractions.

  10. Every girlfriend I've ever had and every girl that has ever been around when my buddies talk about this subject agrees that really big bodybuikders look disgusting. That's not most girls. Every single one. And that's gotta be around 50. They all say that what's hot is like the Taylor lautner (twilight guy) and Channing tatum body types are the hottest. (Reasonably muscular but not too big with good abs)
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Danimozz
    Every girlfriend I've ever had and every girl that has ever been around when my buddies talk about this subject agrees that really big bodybuikders look disgusting. That's not most girls. Every single one. And that's gotta be around 50. They all say that what's hot is like the Taylor lautner (twilight guy) and Channing tatum body types are the hottest. (Reasonably muscular but not too big with good abs)
    lol the one thign about women though is that they dont know what they like cuz theyre dum. for example, how many dont like callused hands from lifting yet play with the calluses when holding your hand?

  12. Steroids are fine... it's the Creatine that you have to look out for.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by BLABD
    Steroids are fine... it's the Creatine that you have to look out for.
    and that whey protein too. i heard if you drink too much, you start to build a tolerance!!!!!one!!dum!!!

  14. Without our juice the Russians will take over
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasxavier View Post
    I had the same perception the public did, that steroids are evil, and everyone who uses them looks retarded (because, face it, science backs what I am bout to say: when you are too big, it is not considered attractive generally. No reason to fight me, you'd have to fight science. I get a lot of steroid users goals are not to be considered attractive, but to be huge. Just saying though).

    But then I said f it, and was able to legally obtain a prescription for testosterone cypionate. Knew long, long in advance the protocols, such as taking nolva and clomid for a PCT, as well as how long to do a cycle, and at what dose. Decided to do it. Beforehand, my fiance told me she would break up with me if I ever did steroids. I told her "don't worry, it's testosterone, not steroids" (lol). Long story short, she doesn't care 5 weeks in, and actually says she doesn't care to even talk about it, because it isn't very interesting. She does however like giving injections (she is going in the medical field), so I'd say she's made quite a 180 degree turn.

    Just like me.


    I still side with science though, that too big is as bad as too small. IMO, at 5'11, 185 lbs with single digit body fat is the ideal, perfect size and weight. Many will disagree, but that doesn't matter much.
    Which part of this asinine post is backed by science...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    lol the one thign about women though is that they dont know what they like cuz theyre dum. for example, how many dont like callused hands from lifting yet play with the calluses when holding your hand?
    Another genius...
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  17. Anyone who lifts weights, follows a diet, or uses a supplement to change the way they look for women is an idiot. There are three main things women care about, your personality or how good you are at talking to them, how successful you are, and how good you are in bed. Unless your physique is absolutely horrible your average woman does not really care all that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogyman View Post
    Anyone who lifts weights, follows a diet, or uses a supplement to change the way they look for women is an idiot. There are three main things women care about, your personality or how good you are at talking to them, how successful you are, and how good you are in bed. Unless your physique is absolutely horrible your average woman does not really care all that much.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Heat Miser View Post
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    Yes i do say. What women think about a guys physique has nothing to do with the publics opinion on steriods

  20. Quote Originally Posted by boogyman

    Yes i do say. What women think about a guys physique has nothing to do with the publics opinion on steriods
    How many women are gonna wanna date a giant roided up bohemoth? Women are definately after much more than body. Like what kind of lifestyle you can provide them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasxavier View Post
    I had the same perception the public did, that steroids are evil, and everyone who uses them looks retarded (because, face it, science backs what I am bout to say: when you are too big, it is not considered attractive generally. No reason to fight me, you'd have to fight science. I get a lot of steroid users goals are not to be considered attractive, but to be huge. Just saying though).

    But then I said f it, and was able to legally obtain a prescription for testosterone cypionate. Knew long, long in advance the protocols, such as taking nolva and clomid for a PCT, as well as how long to do a cycle, and at what dose. Decided to do it. Beforehand, my fiance told me she would break up with me if I ever did steroids. I told her "don't worry, it's testosterone, not steroids" (lol). Long story short, she doesn't care 5 weeks in, and actually says she doesn't care to even talk about it, because it isn't very interesting. She does however like giving injections (she is going in the medical field), so I'd say she's made quite a 180 degree turn.

    Just like me.


    I still side with science though, that too big is as bad as too small. IMO, at 5'11, 185 lbs with single digit body fat is the ideal, perfect size and weight. Many will disagree, but that doesn't matter much.
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    Horm Behav. 2007 May;51(5):633-9. Epub 2007 Mar 24.
    Preferences for masculinity in male bodies change across the menstrual cycle.
    Little AC, Jones BC, Burriss RP.
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    School of Psychology, University of Stirling, Scotland, UK. [email protected]
    Abstract

    In human females cyclic shifts in preference have been documented for odour and physical and behavioral male traits. Women prefer the smell of dominant males, more masculine male faces and men behaving more dominantly when at peak fertility than at other times in their menstrual cycle. Here we examine variation in preferences for body sexual dimorphism. Across two studies, both between- and within-participant, we show that women prefer greater masculinity in male bodies at times when their fertility is likely highest, in the follicular phase of their cycle. Shifts were seen when rating for a short-term but not when rating for a long-term relationship. In line with studies showing similar effects for facial sexual dimorphism, we also show that women prefer greater masculinity when they think themselves attractive than when they think themselves less attractive. These results indicate that women's preferences for sexual dimorphism in male bodies follow a similar pattern as found for sexual dimorphism and dominance in other domains and such differences in preference may serve a similar function. Cyclic preferences could influence women to select partners when most likely to become pregnant that possess traits that may be most likely to maximize their offspring's quality via attraction to masculinity or serve to help acquire investment via attraction to femininity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogyman View Post
    Yes i do say. What women think about a guys physique has nothing to do with the publics opinion on steriods
    This is what I was referring to:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danimozz View Post
    How many women are gonna wanna date a giant roided up bohemoth? Women are definately after much more than body. Like what kind of lifestyle you can provide them
    No they are not bro. boogyman says that this is all they care about:
    Quote Originally Posted by boogyman View Post
    There are three main things women care about, your personality or how good you are at talking to them, how successful you are, and how good you are in bed.
    LOL
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    Reference?
    Not worth your key strokes. This guy is a clown at every turn.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Danimozz View Post
    Every girlfriend I've ever had and every girl that has ever been around when my buddies talk about this subject agrees that really big bodybuikders look disgusting. That's not most girls. Every single one. And that's gotta be around 50. They all say that what's hot is like the Taylor lautner (twilight guy) and Channing tatum body types are the hottest. (Reasonably muscular but not too big with good abs)
    Yeah because 50 girls is the majority of the female population of the earth.

    Different people, different attractions.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro View Post

    Yeah because 50 girls is the majority of the female population of the earth.

    Different people, different attractions.
    They say they think its disgusting until one gives them attention. Then there's a change of heart lol

  28. Because of the media, lack of knowledge, word of mouth.

  29. My absolute favorite myth that doesn't seem to be dieing is "steroids make your dick smaller" lolol
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt
    My absolute favorite myth that doesn't seem to be dieing is "steroids make your dick smaller" lolol
    lmao my friend tells me that. still a pretty popular myth
  

  
 

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