AHv3 / Epi cycle

[benjwg]

So ive got 2 tubs of AHv3 (2month supply at 6 caps a day)
1 Tub Havoc enough for 20/20/20/20
Nolva for 20/20/20/20
Taking Hawthorne, Milk thistle, multivits, fish oils.

Ive been on AHV3 for 2 nearly 3 weeks and have just introduced havoc to my system passed 3 days.

I was thinking doing my cycle like ahv3 6/6/6/6/6/6/6/6
Wanted to run the havoc also at 0/0/10/20/20/20/0/0

So first 2 weeks of AHv3 were no havoc, 4 weeks on havoc during on AHv3.

No havoc for first 2 weeks, no havoc for last 2 weeks, but 4 weeks in the middle on havoc.

as AHv3 works slightly as an AI will it be ok not to start PCT after I finish havoc as Il still be going for 2 more weeks AHv3 ? - I would start the HCGenerate here to get the gonads back but can I avoid the nolva for 2 weeks after havoc until I finish AHv3 ?

Thanks.

[benjwg]

Any one ?

[Danimozz]

Yes androhard is still a steroid so no reason to start pct while still on

[benjwg]

Yes androhard is still a steroid so no reason to start pct while still on

Even though weeks 3,4,5,6 I will be supressed by the epi... week 7,8 will be fine just taking AHv3 ? ?

AHV3 seems to cause little to no supression.. maybe only slightly on estrogen.

Jus wanna be sure I dont start developing Gyno or estro sides when I drop the epi and carry on with the AHv3..

Thanks

[Lacrossedude6]

IMO I would throw the havic/Epi in the last 4 weeks as a finisher and to chop your estro down before PCT, you will experience an estro spike when you come off the Epi....

[Austinmck17]

IMO I would throw the havic/Epi in the last 4 weeks as a finisher and to chop your estro down before PCT, you will experience an estro spike when you come off the Epi....

running androhard past epi should keep estrogen low. I would use run the Epi 3-7 at a higher dose like 40. It should provide a good anabolic effect. you might see results from running epi for 4weeks but if you go to 5 you'll get even better. Either way you should get a nice recomp from the combo

[HereToStudy]

running androhard past epi should keep estrogen low. I would use run the Epi 3-7 at a higher dose like 40. It should provide a good anabolic effect. you might see results from running epi for 4weeks but if you go to 5 you'll get even better. Either way you should get a nice recomp from the combo

I agree. I personally think 20mg of epi for 4 weeks is a waste.

[ryansm]

Run PCT after cessation of the AndroHard, it is still a hormone thus still suppressive. This combo has been a popular one with most reporting tremendous strength gains as well as getting very lean and I agree with the others up the dose on the Havoc.

[benjwg]

Ok thanks - as I said on PHF, it wont seem it to any1 else due to experience, jus feels to me like im gonna be killin' it for my first cycle.

Already upped epi to 20Mg on the third day, will increase to 30mg by end of the week along with the AH ive been taking last 2-3 weeks.. Will order another tub havoc on friday to get here for monday just incase I wanna go to 40mg last week and extend.

entering my third week of AHv3 I already feel strength gains at about 10% increase... compound lifts especially.
slightly more agression and high libido

No hair loss, no effect to BP, no acne, no lethargy..

coming into 3rd week I have dropped 1% BF and gained 2-3lb without any change to routine and still eating at maint. this week I have gone from 3 days in the gym to 4 and upped 500 cals.

Thought I would give a bit of feedback so far.

Thanks for help

[HereToStudy]

Appreciate the feedback thus far, keep it up!

[ryansm]

Ok thanks - as I said on PHF, it wont seem it to any1 else due to experience, jus feels to me like im gonna be killin' it for my first cycle.

Already upped epi to 20Mg on the third day, will increase to 30mg by end of the week along with the AH ive been taking last 2-3 weeks.. Will order another tub havoc on friday to get here for monday just incase I wanna go to 40mg last week and extend.

entering my third week of AHv3 I already feel strength gains at about 10% increase... compound lifts especially.
slightly more agression and high libido

No hair loss, no effect to BP, no acne, no lethargy..

coming into 3rd week I have dropped 1% BF and gained 2-3lb without any change to routine and still eating at maint. this week I have gone from 3 days in the gym to 4 and upped 500 cals.

Thought I would give a bit of feedback so far.

Thanks for help

Awesome, the 4th week will really start to shine in the strength department

[HereToStudy]

Awesome, the 4th week will really start to shine in the strength department

I actually didn't even think about it, but that really is the time both compounds are known for having the strength kick in, should be interesting going forward.

[benjwg]

Nearly made it to week 4th of my AHV3 and my compound lifts are up roughly 20%... Im lifting a 1/5 more than I was before... Cant say im not massively impressed for what is supposed to be quite a mild compound.

0 bad side effects.

Hair loss is none existant, BP still same even with Epi.. No prostate problems... (Dont see why people bash DHT so much)

My BF hasn't dropped any further... maybe back to what it was to start with... I lost BF in the first 2 weeks probably because i wasnt eating 1k cals above maint like I am now (Havent actually checked my BF since about 2 weeks ago though).

Starting weight was 195-196 Lb, Nearly finished 1 month AH and 2 weeks Epi... now 203LB... Have been eating like a horse though but not much change to BF%... personally I think 8LB is a good increase as I assume I will of also lost quite a bit of water weight.

My plan was to stick on the AHv3 for 8 weeks, epi for weeks 3,4,5,6.... Change of plan

ahv3 will be finished after my first bottle.. will carry on with the epi...

Epi will be 30/40/40/50 so 2-3 more weeks of Epi to go then I will report back @ PCT time hopefully 212lb

Really I cant complain, cycle has gone perfect for me as far as I think it could of...didnt expect such good gains(Imo good) Shame I couldnt get some discounted AHv3 or I would of ran for 12-16 weeks AH without the Epi..

I have been lifting more than normal, eating more than normal and resting more than normal... so rest,nutrition and more exercise must take some credit for my gains but not all really looking forward to last 2-3 weeks

[benjwg]

1 thing I forgot to mention... My Joints are F***ing killing me.

All the joints in my shoulders/back are feeling really dry/tight and creek a lot.

Places I was expecting it like my Elbows and Knees are completely fine... but I need a bit of advice plz

All I am taking is a huge amount of fishoil... I want something else that's pretty fast acting... People have been suggesting Glucosamine but I have read on other peoples logs that this didnt even kick in until after cycle.

Any suggestions of what I could be taking to help my joints within the next few days?

Thanks.

[Danimozz]

Try to drink
More water. I just completed the exact same cycle. And yes I think you gained more than 8 pounds because I was pissing orange on that stuff I was so dehydrated haha

[benjwg]

Try to drink
More water. I just completed the exact same cycle. And yes I think you gained more than 8 pounds because I was pissing orange on that stuff I was so dehydrated haha

Yeh I have noticed similar - Ive only been drinking about 8 pints of water a day, guess I could increase that

Thx

[ryansm]

1 thing I forgot to mention... My Joints are F***ing killing me.

All the joints in my shoulders/back are feeling really dry/tight and creek a lot.

Places I was expecting it like my Elbows and Knees are completely fine... but I need a bit of advice plz

All I am taking is a huge amount of fishoil... I want something else that's pretty fast acting... People have been suggesting Glucosamine but I have read on other peoples logs that this didnt even kick in until after cycle.

Any suggestions of what I could be taking to help my joints within the next few days?

Thanks.

How much fish oil? I take in over 20+ grams to get the joint benefits. You chose a cycle that would certainly be rough on the joints, honestly water intake is your best bet and maybe look into some Cissus

[HereToStudy]

Thanks for the update, seems solid. As the others have said, increased hydration and fish oil is a must for that cycle.

[benjwg]

How much fish oil? I take in over 20+ grams to get the joint benefits. You chose a cycle that would certainly be rough on the joints, honestly water intake is your best bet and maybe look into some Cissus

Well not that much but I am trying about 10 - 15G with lots more water... certainly wasn't drinking enough water... started getting headaches and few other things... really really didnt expect it! thought my H2O intake was fine.

Now im drinking 1 pint every hour... working well now.... Still my shoulder joints are a pain in the ass but nothing like before..

Thx again

[HereToStudy]

Well not that much but I am trying about 10 - 15G with lots more water... certainly wasn't drinking enough water... started getting headaches and few other things... really really didnt expect it! thought my H2O intake was fine.

Now im drinking 1 pint every hour... working well now.... Still my shoulder joints are a pain in the ass but nothing like before..

Thx again

I think everyone seems to overestimate their water intake. Same with me. Whenever I take a look back at how much I have been drinking, it is never as much as I thought.