First Cycle / Havoc need a bit of advice

[sunaddicted]

Cheers fellas,
first id like to apologize for my english - im from germany so its far away from perfect
Im planning on doin a Havoc cycle in about 2 months and hope to get a little help here.
Im 6'1 weight ~185 lbs(~84kgs) at ~8% bodyfat training 5 days a week, only few workouts i skipped since i started training where caught up in the same week.
im doing a photoshoot next week will end my cut then in about 2 weeks and up my calorie intake slowly, than lean bulk for around 1,5 months before i start my cycle cause i wanna take the few lbs i can gain natty after such a long cut before i turn to the bad side haha!
Cycle is planned like that:
Havoc for 8 weeks
30/30/30/30/40/40/40/40 (quite unsure if i should run 7 or 8 weeks?)
I'll be taking fish oil , glucosamin and vit b6 at around 200mg ed throughout the whole cycle
For Pct ill hit up some nolva, daa, still vit b6 for the first 2 weeks , some Anabeta and when the bottle is finished ill give anabolic pump a try
Creatin is used all year round (at around 2-3mgs a day),Bcaa,Glutamine,zinc(50-75mgs),arginin and the others basics are also used the whole year.
Want to use this cycle as a lean bulk(if i add muscle while not gettin too fat ill up calorie intake constantly)
Any big fails in here ? or anything u would add or change up ?

Think ill do a little log then and continue it throughout pct and even after(i think this may be even more interesting then on cycle)
thanks :-)

[sunaddicted]

bump

[Lhns2]

I'd go six weeks at 40 with creatine saved for pct

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[SuperPro]

Looks pretty solid from what I can see. I would add something like AI cycle support or CEL cycle assist alongside the havoc. Also most of the time people run havoc for 6 weeks, but I think you could run it for 8 if you're feeling okay near the end. I would consider running it for 6 though and maybe doing 50 the last week or two. Glad to see you have a good looking PCT, not sure if you know how to run it but for the nolva I would probly do like 40 for first 2-3 days then 20/20/20/10. Make sure you take the DAA at 3g each day, thats the effective dose. Looks like a good cycle though, have a blast man.

[sunaddicted]

thanks for the advice guys, i think ill see how i feel on cycle and then decide if i start pct after week 6 or if i can go for the last 2.
yep thats pretty much how i planned on dosing the nolva.And DAA 3g in the early morning.
and ill get my hands on some cycle support then (propably the pills from cel cause they have the vitb6 directly in it)
would u add erase in pct or will i be fine without it ?
and do u think it would make a big difference upping the dosage to 50 for the last 1-2 weeks ?

[SuperPro]

I would definitely put in the erase, I didn't notice you didn't have it on there. It's an estrogen blocker(AI), which is essential for PCT. Great product. Also upping to 50 could make a big difference, many people say 50 is their "sweet spot" for epi/havoc. I haven't ran havoc but a friend of mine did, and he said when he upped it to 50 he really started feeling on. I had the same feeling when I upped hdrol to 100, felt like a beast!

[sunaddicted]

I would definitely put in the erase, I didn't notice you didn't have it on there. It's an estrogen blocker(AI), which is essential for PCT. Great product. Also upping to 50 could make a big difference, many people say 50 is their "sweet spot" for epi/havoc. I haven't ran havoc but a friend of mine did, and he said when he upped it to 50 he really started feeling on. I had the same feeling when I upped hdrol to 100, felt like a beast!

yea i kno what erase is, recently ran erase pro for 8 weeks.. ill put one in my pct then aswell, 2 weeks after nolva from what i read/heard right?
ok then ill up my dosage to 50 the last 2 weeks if i feel fine
thanks for the help man, cant wait to hop on dat bicycle now haha

[SuperPro]

yea i kno what erase is, recently ran erase pro for 8 weeks.. ill put one in my pct then aswell, 2 weeks after nolva from what i read/heard right?
ok then ill up my dosage to 50 the last 2 weeks if i feel fine
thanks for the help man, cant wait to hop on dat bicycle now haha

Start running it alongside nolva right after cycle, except you will run the erase 2 weeks longer so it will be like:

Nolva - 20/20/20/10
Erase - 1/2/3/3/3/2

Not sure if that's what you meant or not. Have fun man, I know I can't wait for my next cycle just gatherin' up the last bit of stuff.

[sunaddicted]

haha no wasnt what i meant. i thought ive read that u should start with an ai 2 weeks after starting nolva but i think i misunderstood something or it was just bull**** haha!
what will u be running for ur next cycle and when ?

[Lhns2]

haha no wasnt what i meant. i thought ive read that u should start with an ai 2 weeks after starting nolva but i think i misunderstood something or it was just bull**** haha!
what will u be running for ur next cycle and when ?

I start my ai two weeks after.

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[SuperPro]

haha no wasnt what i meant. i thought ive read that u should start with an ai 2 weeks after starting nolva but i think i misunderstood something or it was just bull**** haha!
what will u be running for ur next cycle and when ?

LGI SD-10: 10/20/20/30/0/0/0/0
AMS 4ad: 800/800/800/800/0/0/0/0
LGI Stano-200: 0/0/0/0/800/800/1000/1000
Aegis(TUDCA): 4 caps ed (this is liver support, using it because of SD)

PCT
Nolva: 40 first 3 days then 20/20/20/10
Erase: 1/2/3/3/3/2
DAA: 3/3/3/3/3/3
Reduce XT: directions on bottle through PCT
Endosurge: 6/6/6/6/6/6

Also going to be using Fadogia Root and maybe Fenugreek while on to attempt to keep my libido up, not sure if this will work but giving it a shot. Also am always taking Orange Triad. And will take AI cycle support at 1 scoop ed, 2 if BP starts getting bad. I'm starting this cycle in 2 to 4 weeks.

[SuperPro]

I start my ai two weeks after.

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The only time I've heard of people doing this is when injecting test e since it stays in your system for so long. Seeing as how orals generally have a half-life of about 8-12 hours I don't see why you would wait. That's my 2 cents on that.

[sunaddicted]

I start my ai two weeks after.

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ah ok , then i didnt misunderstood and this 2 weeks later thing is really around.
whats the reason for starting 2 weeks after serm ?

LGI SD-10: 10/20/20/30/0/0/0/0
AMS 4ad: 800/800/800/800/0/0/0/0
LGI Stano-200: 0/0/0/0/800/800/1000/1000
Aegis(TUDCA): 4 caps ed (this is liver support, using it because of SD)

PCT
Nolva: 40 first 3 days then 20/20/20/10
Erase: 1/2/3/3/3/2
DAA: 3/3/3/3/3/3
Reduce XT: directions on bottle through PCT
Endosurge: 6/6/6/6/6/6

Also going to be using Fadogia Root and maybe Fenugreek while on to attempt to keep my libido up, not sure if this will work but giving it a shot. Also am always taking Orange Triad. And will take AI cycle support at 1 scoop ed, 2 if BP starts getting bad. I'm starting this cycle in 2 to 4 weeks.

looks like u gonna have some srs fun! how many cycle have you done before?
when it comes to backpumps you should get your hands on some taurine from what ive heard

[SuperPro]

This is my second cycle, I've done a ton of research though. I was originally just going to do SD, but then I was recommended to add the 4ad and stano by a couple people on the forums and thought it sounded like a great idea so I'm rollin' with it. Ah yeah I'll be using taurine, I used it on my last cycle as well and it helped but on the last two weeks of the cycle they were still pretty bad. I ran hdrol at 75/75/75/100/100/100 though, which is pretty high, but I've seen some people go up to 125. The three weeks at 100 is probably why my back pumps got so bad lol. It was awesome though and I had really good gains, went from 165 up to 180 after PCT. I'm at 170 now but I've been cutting with oxy elite pro, trying to lean up before this cycle.

Good luck with your run man, I'm about to pass out for the night.

[sunaddicted]

ok good luck on ur cycle,too man!
also just recently heard about some epic cycles from people using stano stacked with sdrol cause it will lower the lethargy.
would aprreciate it if u share ur experience with me via pm after/while ur cycle :-)
i hope i can hit 220 lbs this offseason till february/march (last year i was around 202 with quite good form)
then i plan on cutting with epi or hdrol and then stacked with tren.

[Lhns2]

The only time I've heard of people doing this is when injecting test e since it stays in your system for so long. Seeing as how orals generally have a half-life of about 8-12 hours I don't see why you would wait. That's my 2 cents on that.

Then if you start it immediately after your cycle why start at a low dose? People use ais on certain injectable cycles so if they were using while on cycle there would be no reason to stop for two weeks IMO to just get back on.

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[sunaddicted]

think he just got that wrong..
people start with nolva/clomid 2 weeks after last injection.. especially when it was enantathe cause of the long halflife..
i was just talkin about starting nolva directly after ending havoc cycle and start with the ai (in this case itll be erase/or erase pro) 2 weeks later.. dont really know why but i read that couple of times

[SuperPro]

Ah, I don't know. Probably works fine either way 2 weeks after or right away.

Also I'll be logging my SD cycle so expect to see it poppin up in the cycles section somewhere within the next month, there's a few things goin' on that may delay the cycle so 2-4 weeks from now.

[SuperPro]

Ah, I don't know. Probably works fine either way 2 weeks after or right away.

Also I'll be logging my SD cycle so expect to see it poppin up in the cycles section somewhere within the next month, there's a few things goin' on that may delay the cycle so 2-4 weeks from now.

[Lhns2]

Ah, I don't know. Probably works fine either way 2 weeks after or right away.

Also I'll be logging my SD cycle so expect to see it poppin up in the cycles section somewhere within the next month, there's a few things goin' on that may delay the cycle so 2-4 weeks from now.

Enjoy will be subbed when you log it

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