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    Best liver support and why?


    Looking for information as to what some gents feel is the best liver support supplement for on/ off-cycle use.

    What about specific type/ brands/ bang for the buck?

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    Liv 52!!!! been around for awhile and powerful stuff, used for clean, detox, support, you name it and liv 52 will do it.

    numerous studies done showing the potency of it and all at a good cost too. the simplest google search will pull up bunches of products for hundreds of tablets under a buck. i take it constantly, on or off cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown
    Liv 52!!!! been around for awhile and powerful stuff, used for clean, detox, support, you name it and liv 52 will do it.

    numerous studies done showing the potency of it and all at a good cost too. the simplest google search will pull up bunches of products for hundreds of tablets under a buck. i take it constantly, on or off cycle
    Mainly considering that or something with TUDCA.
    However, I've seen articles online that seem to support the use of SAMe as well.
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    UDCA > TUDCA > Liver Juice > Standard Milk Thistle

    UDCA - obvious, pharmaceutical product created for liver protection
    TUDCA - Similar, only ranked less because the taurine becomes part of the product's weight, so more needed, in theory.
    Liver Juice - Best Milk Thistle product available.
    Milk Thistle - Best herb available.

    I personally like the combination of UDCA and Liver Juice. I have come out of cycles in range for LFTs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy
    UDCA > TUDCA > Liver Juice > Standard Milk Thistle

    UDCA - obvious, pharmaceutical product created for liver protection
    TUDCA - Similar, only ranked less because the taurine becomes part of the product's weight, so more needed, in theory.
    Liver Juice - Best Milk Thistle product available.
    Milk Thistle - Best herb available.

    I personally like the combination of UDCA and Liver Juice. I have come out of cycles in range for LFTs.
    Going to pick up the liver juice...need to find either some UDCA or TUDCA
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Going to pick up the liver juice...need to find either some UDCA or TUDCA
    Aegis is the easiest TUDCA to get, there's sites around where you can get it for 40$ for a 30 day supply(at 4 125mg caps a day). UDCA is on many research chem sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro

    Aegis is the easiest TUDCA to get, there's sites around where you can get it for 40$ for a 30 day supply(at 4 125mg caps a day). UDCA is on many research chem sites.
    You guys have any knowledge on SAMe? It seems to be very reasonable from NOW foods.
    Some sites seem to really believe in the benefits of the product...not NOWs in particular, just SAMe.
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    You should be fine with just the TUDCA and Liver Juice. I wouldn't keep adding to that.
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    People often worry about their liver when they do gear, which is smart don't get me wrong, but what they really should be concerned in the long term is their heart and kidney.
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    If using orals, look for organ support as well as TUDCA/UDCA. If only pinning, overall organ support becomes a must. A healthy dose of CEL Cycle Assist is a nice addition.
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    I believe there's some studies on pubmed about TUDCA/UDCA and their affect on the kidneys. Not sure if any are conclusive though.
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    N2 Guard and Cycle Support are my favorites.I thought N2 Guard would be better tahn Cycle Support but my blood test show that as long as I keep the cycle support in for the entire cycle and PCT my liver enzymes bounce right back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwarrior View Post
    People often worry about their liver when they do gear, which is smart don't get me wrong, but what they really should be concerned in the long term is their heart and kidney.
    UDCA/TUDCA will have a benefit to lipid profile.
    It is also a reason why I recommend our TOCO-8 product to be utilized throughout a cycle, and not just in PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    UDCA/TUDCA will have a benefit to lipid profile.
    It is also a reason why I recommend our TOCO-8 product to be utilized throughout a cycle, and not just in PCT.

    You don't happen to have the info on UDCA at high doses repairing damage do you? I've lost it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    You don't happen to have the info on UDCA at high doses repairing damage do you? I've lost it.
    I am at work right now. Somewhere at home I have a file with links to UDCA information. I can't guarantee it will be tonight, but by tomorrow night I will see if I can get some of that copied over here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro View Post
    Aegis is the easiest TUDCA to get, there's sites around where you can get it for 40$ for a 30 day supply(at 4 125mg caps a day). UDCA is on many research chem sites.
    This pick up a bottle of Aegis, your liver will thank you later on
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    Hey, looking for a rules clarification here. I found UDCA at a popular online retailer where a lot of people buy books. Is that considered discussing sources here? I'm not sure of the legal status of UDCA. But, I wanted to post the link to get some opinions about if this source and stuff is legit and if anyone had any experience with the source. But......I don't wanna moderator smak down either.

    EDIT:Sorry for the typo, it's TUDCA (500g) for $15.00. Sounds too good to be true but they have a good rating on the as yet unnamed reseller site.
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    May be dumb but I'm still learning so bare withe but precautions do u guys take for your kidneys, I havent ventured to PHs or AAS yet, but I've had a couple bouts with stones so I'm curious what precautions you guys take when cycling and off cycle for kidney health? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I am at work right now. Somewhere at home I have a file with links to UDCA information. I can't guarantee it will be tonight, but by tomorrow night I will see if I can get some of that copied over here.
    Sweat, I'd be interested in seeing this as well
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    Newb question but I have heard that supps like milk thistle weaken your androgen receptors, therefore weakening the absorption of your anabolic, does anyone know if this is the case with a supplement like TUDCA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacrossedude6 View Post
    Newb question but I have heard that supps like milk thistle weaken your androgen receptors, therefore weakening the absorption of your anabolic, does anyone know if this is the case with a supplement like TUDCA
    No, this is not the case with TUDCA, its actually the opposite and can be used to possibly help enhance absorption. Products like Aegis can be taken at the same time as your PH dosage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnjawn69

    No, this is not the case with TUDCA, its actually the opposite and can be used to possibly help enhance absorption. Products like Aegis can be taken at the same time as your PH dosage.
    Very interesting, thanks for the info, TUDCA sounds very promising
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    Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    Hey, looking for a rules clarification here. I found UDCA at a popular online retailer where a lot of people buy books. Is that considered discussing sources here? I'm not sure of the legal status of UDCA. But, I wanted to post the link to get some opinions about if this source and stuff is legit and if anyone had any experience with the source. But......I don't wanna moderator smak down either.

    EDIT:Sorry for the typo, it's TUDCA (500g) for $15.00. Sounds too good to be true but they have a good rating on the as yet unnamed reseller site.
    ROFL 500g for 15 bucks... ya right. Please don't buy their 500g of God know's what.

    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    May be dumb but I'm still learning so bare withe but precautions do u guys take for your kidneys, I havent ventured to PHs or AAS yet, but I've had a couple bouts with stones so I'm curious what precautions you guys take when cycling and off cycle for kidney health? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacrossedude6 View Post
    Newb question but I have heard that supps like milk thistle weaken your androgen receptors, therefore weakening the absorption of your anabolic, does anyone know if this is the case with a supplement like TUDCA
    Milk thistle is an herb, it does effect the receptors but it's not something i've ever worried about as it shouldn't pose too much of a problem. But with any type of support product, i dose well away from any anabolic compound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    ROFL 500g for 15 bucks... ya right. Please don't buy their 500g of God know's what.

    The listing is hosed from what I can tell. It's 5g which by their math is 20 x 250mg doses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    The listing is hosed from what I can tell. It's 5g which by their math is 20 x 250mg doses.
    Yeah, so I emailed them an inquiry and here is their reply:

    Mike,

    I'm sorry, it appears our listing is incorrect for the 5 Grams of TUDCA. 5 Grams is actually only 20 servings, whereas the 25 Grams is 500 Servings.

    Hope this clears everything up,
    Math much??? So, no. It does not clear everything up.
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    All we care about is the amount of UDCA it is, not how many servings they say that's irrelevant. If it's 25g for 15 bucks that's a deal, 25g for 15 bucks is still too good to be true... by a long shot.
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    I'll pass. I just ordered the Aegis version. If it was a less important organ I might chance it but there's no telling what I'd actually get. At least sticking with a proven brand, I'll get the real deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    I'll pass. I just ordered the Aegis version. If it was a less important organ I might chance it but there's no telling what I'd actually get. At least sticking with a proven brand, I'll get the real deal.
    UDCA is not cheap, and hard to source; 25g is a lot for only 15 dollars. Antaeus Lab's is a good place to put your trust. I've been very happy with Aegis so far. Although i've been working with some friends to go in together and buy a kilo of UDCA possibly, which would be awesome
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    I think it must be some O that "new math". What they actually have is 5G for $15 or 25g for $65. And, it may be plaster of paris dust from a demolition site in China for all we know.
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    25g for 65 dollars is much more legit, that sounds about right.
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