"GYNO FRIENDLY" cycle!
- 08-10-2012, 10:40 AM
"GYNO FRIENDLY" cycle!
looking for a bit of advice here fellas...
Right first off......i developed some gyno around 4/5 months ago after id done a 4week megavol cycle, i didnt have it before so my only guess is its from the megavol... a little naive and with the advice of a friend i took only inhibit-E for my PCT (stupid i no) anyway after a good few lazy months and and work commitments in the way circumstances have now changed and here i am again wanting to do another cycle.
Not sure of my BF%
Hopefully with this cycle i am going to reduce my gyno and get some decent gains whilst also lowering my bf%.
Ive been looking for a PH that is the most "gyno friendly" so it does not get any worse and from what i have found i think RPN HAVOC is the way am gna go followed by LETRO, NOLVA, and lastly FORMA-STANZOL.
So heres the plan so far....
RPN HAVOC 30/30/30/30/30/30
LIV 52 (3x3 daily)
LETRO 2.5mg ED
FORMA-STANZOL (thinking 5 pumps AM and 5 pumps PM) applied directly to the chest area and around the nipples.
Can you run FORMA-STANZOL whilst on nolva???
Any views on dosages or or plan layout please let me no.
This is still a work in progress so any criticism or guidance would be very much appreciated as im sure ill be missing something somewhere.
- 08-10-2012, 11:12 AM
The MOST 'gyno friendly' OTC hormone product is by far AndroHard. It is a stronger DHT precursor that has been rather successful in reversing gyno or preventing its ugly appearance.
I do NOT like your aggressive pct using a harsh lipid killer like Letrozole at 2.5 mgs --- this will wreak havoc on your immune system,. sex drive and HDL profile.
I rather see you use something like Aromasin (exemestane) -- however if using exemstane -- there really is not much use in using Formestane -- keep in mind formestane also will convert into 4-hydroxy testosterone which can impede PCT to a degree......
- 08-10-2012, 02:02 PM
Yikes kinda much on letro and forma. Use forma imo really formeron and forget letro.BLACK LION RESEARCH
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08-11-2012, 04:31 AM
Ahh ok...well ive already got a couple of bottles of havoc on the way would you suggest waiting till i get some andro hard? I dont want to make this thing any worse!
What would be the best pct for reducing gyno/puffy nips in your opinion and how would you run it mate?
Ive also got some liquid nolva on order aswel.
08-11-2012, 04:35 AM
Whats formeron mate? Isnt letro ment to be like the shiz for gyno?
08-11-2012, 08:15 AM
08-11-2012, 09:48 AM
Hey....nice of you to feel the need to chirp up with a pointless comment. Ill take my advice from the more mature members. Thanks anyway.
08-11-2012, 11:59 AM
To answer other questions you should try to get rid of gyno first. Mine flared up on havoc believe it or not. Letro formeron from black lion and their prolactin supp. Letro is harsh man you feel like crap. Also use nolva after you taper off or possibly toremOriginally Posted by craig1987
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08-13-2012, 03:02 AM
Cheers mate ill give it a go, how long would you recommend waiting to run the havoc after? As it is a transdermal do i need to let my body recover after pct?
08-13-2012, 06:14 AM
What about stano? I'm gyno free and never used it, but isn't it pure DHT prohormone? I would think its a cheaper and better than Androhard, but AH does have some good gyno killed logs backing it, haven't read much on stano besides for a good test base
08-13-2012, 09:39 AM
i would also be very interested in stano as AHv3 replacement for gyno cure but absolutely dont know which dosage/cycle length would be optimal then.
08-13-2012, 11:22 AM
Safest and quickest way to get rid of gyno would be surgery bro. Don't fu*k with your hormones more trying to make it better and end up making it worse. I've seen people bring their gyno down with letro and a serm but if it's set in already.....only solution is surgery. Costs 7,000 so start saving.
08-13-2012, 11:42 AM
08-13-2012, 12:00 PM
Iv been in letro for 6 weeks now. My gyno has shrunk by 70% im planning to start tapering off of the letro this week. The problem is my nipples, mainly the right one, are still super puffy. I will start nolva after my last dose of letro.
Is there anything I can do for the puffiness?
Could the puffiness be caused by prolactin/progesterone gyno?
I originally got delayed gyno 4 months after a h-drol cycle
08-13-2012, 12:22 PM
AH has a better absorption rate than plain stano, and if stacked with epi it would make for a really good recomp/cut. Might be a bit dry, but that's not a big deal. I'd run the epi 6 weeks and the ah 8. Ive seen logs where people just used one of these compounds and got great results in reducing gyno. So I would imagine the stack would be impressive.
08-13-2012, 01:15 PM
Could I taper off letro then jump right into a androhard cycle?
08-14-2012, 11:53 AM
The puffiness is hormonal I am reasoned -- as I have been very lean but some days the puffiness is more pronounced. I think it was nandrolone product that caused this cosmetic effect if not mistaken...
Would be IDEAL to taper off LETRO as you introduce AROMASIN to catch ANY trace of rebound. Then run aromasin for 4 weeks then you should be primed and ready to run the AndroHard.
08-14-2012, 01:48 PM
Could I run nolva instead of aromasin to prevent rebound? I have nolva on hand and I really can't afford to buy another research Chem?
If the puffiness Is hormonal do you think a endocrinologist could correct the hormonal imbalance, or would they just recommend surgery?
08-14-2012, 02:16 PM
Could I run nolva instead of aromasin to prevent rebound form coming off letro?
Also would it be a good or bad idea to add In a natty T booster like daa? The letro destroyed my sex drive.
Lastly why is androhard damn expensive? It would be much cheaper for Me to run a epistane cycle, they are both essentially dht derivatives right?
08-15-2012, 01:05 PM
08-16-2012, 03:15 AM
Problem with nolva is that is it estrogenic in certain tissues and could increase irritability, emotional episodes (not as bad as clomid) and alter liver values. I have found pretty much ONLY positive effects from aromasin (exemestane) compared to clo/nolv...
I am unsure what the endo might do for you and would be VERY curious to hear their feedback.....probably just convince how benign it is and you are perfectly healthy and he would refer you to a cosmetic surgeon since its not life altering....
08-16-2012, 03:18 AM
Epi would risk liver values, HPTA function and some get DELAYED ONSET GYNO due to the lower androgenic profile. For sex drive use Topical Sustain Alpha Gel --- that is bad ass boner GEL right there
08-16-2012, 05:01 AM
I would love to pick up some androhard. Who has the best prices?
And would sustain alpha worsen gyno for somebody who is very gyno sensitive. Right now my main concern is killing this gyno. I'm not sure if I'm ever going to touch anything hormonal ever again
08-16-2012, 10:37 AM
How would it show estrogen effects when nolvadex competes with receptor sites binding to them to prevent any estrogen side effects to begin with?
I've seen from my blood work it does alter liver values. In fact it F***ed with my shi* much more then the SD did. Was curious on your comment. I've read lots about nolvadex but never ran across what your stating. Would that only apply to already existing gyno rather then warding it off? Some insight would be nice.
08-16-2012, 02:14 PM
Ya matt i thought tamoxifen citrate binds to receptors in the brain and in the nipples(breast tissue) thats why it is used in breast cancer. I havent heard that it itself causes certain tissues to have higher estrogen(due to binding) What tissues are these specifically
08-16-2012, 06:46 PM
08-16-2012, 09:05 PM
Progesterone (spelling) and estrogen are two different hormones. While estrogen being increased can cause prog problem, you can still have increased prog with low estrogen. It can be a side of tren that's why you have to have caber dostinex to control it. If a regular ai could block both, we wouldn't need caber dostinex. Different hormones different drugs to combat them. Nolvadex I believe up regulates progestin receptors and since your injecting a exogenous progesterone compound (correct me if I'm wrong) it just makes it worse. Anyone can correct me I might be wrong lol
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08-17-2012, 03:16 PM
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08-23-2012, 10:51 AM
Topical OTC DHT would be a beautiful thing. Better than having to order andractim gel from CyprusOriginally Posted by MattPorter
08-24-2012, 04:07 PM
08-24-2012, 04:32 PM
Yeah systemic is better in many ways....but comes with its share of sides ...topical will target the desired area and should have no real sides. Tell Eric this then tell him DO IT!!!Originally Posted by MattPorter
08-27-2012, 11:27 AM
Its a huge drag to formulate these topical gels --- and takes tons of time to perfect the gel consistency and solubility of the ingredients into solution.
I would really like to see how this product fares though and run a few prototype bottles and have some beta-testers -- (of course local) since we could have them in person doing their blood work
09-05-2012, 12:11 PM
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09-05-2012, 01:07 PM
Gatta love steroids on a flex-pay plan. I'd prob place an order myself ha ha ha
09-05-2012, 03:43 PM
09-07-2012, 02:29 PM
OK I will start a thread for **** sake.....I personally think people would have great interest and lie the concept....but forums are a rather small niche of people ya know....
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