"GYNO FRIENDLY" cycle!

[craig1987]

looking for a bit of advice here fellas...

Right first off......i developed some gyno around 4/5 months ago after id done a 4week megavol cycle, i didnt have it before so my only guess is its from the megavol... a little naive and with the advice of a friend i took only inhibit-E for my PCT (stupid i no) anyway after a good few lazy months and and work commitments in the way circumstances have now changed and here i am again wanting to do another cycle.

My stats.
5,11
168lbs
Not sure of my BF%

Hopefully with this cycle i am going to reduce my gyno and get some decent gains whilst also lowering my bf%.
Ive been looking for a PH that is the most "gyno friendly" so it does not get any worse and from what i have found i think RPN HAVOC is the way am gna go followed by LETRO, NOLVA, and lastly FORMA-STANZOL.

So heres the plan so far....

RPN HAVOC 30/30/30/30/30/30
LIV 52 (3x3 daily)

PCT....

LETRO 2.5mg ED
NOLVA 20/20/10/10
FORMA-STANZOL (thinking 5 pumps AM and 5 pumps PM) applied directly to the chest area and around the nipples.

Can you run FORMA-STANZOL whilst on nolva???

Any views on dosages or or plan layout please let me no.

This is still a work in progress so any criticism or guidance would be very much appreciated as im sure ill be missing something somewhere.

Cheers.

[MattPorter]

looking for a bit of advice here fellas...

Right first off......i developed some gyno around 4/5 months ago after id done a 4week megavol cycle, i didnt have it before so my only guess is its from the megavol... a little naive and with the advice of a friend i took only inhibit-E for my PCT (stupid i no) anyway after a good few lazy months and and work commitments in the way circumstances have now changed and here i am again wanting to do another cycle.

My stats.
5,11
168lbs
Not sure of my BF%

Hopefully with this cycle i am going to reduce my gyno and get some decent gains whilst also lowering my bf%.
Ive been looking for a PH that is the most "gyno friendly" so it does not get any worse and from what i have found i think RPN HAVOC is the way am gna go followed by LETRO, NOLVA, and lastly FORMA-STANZOL.

So heres the plan so far....

RPN HAVOC 30/30/30/30/30/30
LIV 52 (3x3 daily)

PCT....

LETRO 2.5mg ED
NOLVA 20/20/10/10
FORMA-STANZOL (thinking 5 pumps AM and 5 pumps PM) applied directly to the chest area and around the nipples.

Can you run FORMA-STANZOL whilst on nolva???

Any views on dosages or or plan layout please let me no.

This is still a work in progress so any criticism or guidance would be very much appreciated as im sure ill be missing something somewhere.

Cheers.

The MOST 'gyno friendly' OTC hormone product is by far AndroHard. It is a stronger DHT precursor that has been rather successful in reversing gyno or preventing its ugly appearance.

I do NOT like your aggressive pct using a harsh lipid killer like Letrozole at 2.5 mgs --- this will wreak havoc on your immune system,. sex drive and HDL profile.

I rather see you use something like Aromasin (exemestane) -- however if using exemstane -- there really is not much use in using Formestane -- keep in mind formestane also will convert into 4-hydroxy testosterone which can impede PCT to a degree......

-Matt

[Lhns2]

Yikes kinda much on letro and forma. Use forma imo really formeron and forget letro.

[craig1987]

Ahh ok...well ive already got a couple of bottles of havoc on the way would you suggest waiting till i get some andro hard? I dont want to make this thing any worse!

What would be the best pct for reducing gyno/puffy nips in your opinion and how would you run it mate?

Ive also got some liquid nolva on order aswel.

[craig1987]

Whats formeron mate? Isnt letro ment to be like the shiz for gyno?

[epstaneman]

looking for a bit of advice here fellas...

Right first off......i developed some gyno around 4/5 months ago after id done a 4week megavol cycle, i didnt have it before so my only guess is its from the megavol... a little naive and with the advice of a friend i took only inhibit-E for my PCT (stupid i no) anyway after a good few lazy months and and work commitments in the way circumstances have now changed and here i am again wanting to do another cycle.

My stats.
5,11
168lbs
Not sure of my BF%

Hopefully with this cycle i am going to reduce my gyno and get some decent gains whilst also lowering my bf%.
Ive been looking for a PH that is the most "gyno friendly" so it does not get any worse and from what i have found i think RPN HAVOC is the way am gna go followed by LETRO, NOLVA, and lastly FORMA-STANZOL.

So heres the plan so far....

RPN HAVOC 30/30/30/30/30/30
LIV 52 (3x3 daily)

PCT....

LETRO 2.5mg ED
NOLVA 20/20/10/10
FORMA-STANZOL (thinking 5 pumps AM and 5 pumps PM) applied directly to the chest area and around the nipples.

Can you run FORMA-STANZOL whilst on nolva???

Any views on dosages or or plan layout please let me no.

This is still a work in progress so any criticism or guidance would be very much appreciated as im sure ill be missing something somewhere.

Cheers.

Whats formeron mate? Isnt letro ment to be like the shiz for gyno?

People that use the words 'whilst' and 'shiz' don't get any help from me.

[craig1987]

Hey....nice of you to feel the need to chirp up with a pointless comment. Ill take my advice from the more mature members. Thanks anyway.

[Lhns2]

Hey....nice of you to feel the need to chirp up with a pointless comment. Ill take my advice from the more mature members. Thanks anyway.

To answer other questions you should try to get rid of gyno first. Mine flared up on havoc believe it or not. Letro formeron from black lion and their prolactin supp. Letro is harsh man you feel like crap. Also use nolva after you taper off or possibly torem

[craig1987]

Cheers mate ill give it a go, how long would you recommend waiting to run the havoc after? As it is a transdermal do i need to let my body recover after pct?

[retroscapers]

What about stano? I'm gyno free and never used it, but isn't it pure DHT prohormone? I would think its a cheaper and better than Androhard, but AH does have some good gyno killed logs backing it, haven't read much on stano besides for a good test base

[uubiduu]

i would also be very interested in stano as AHv3 replacement for gyno cure but absolutely dont know which dosage/cycle length would be optimal then.

[epstaneman]

i would also be very interested in stano as AHv3 replacement for gyno cure but absolutely dont know which dosage/cycle length would be optimal then.

Safest and quickest way to get rid of gyno would be surgery bro. Don't fu*k with your hormones more trying to make it better and end up making it worse. I've seen people bring their gyno down with letro and a serm but if it's set in already.....only solution is surgery. Costs 7,000 so start saving.

[MattPorter]

Cheers mate ill give it a go, how long would you recommend waiting to run the havoc after? As it is a transdermal do i need to let my body recover after pct?

Formestane is not ideal for PCT as it converts into endogenous androgens and delays recovery. Letro is unhealthy to the max. SLowly your hormones will balance out and it will go dormant. At that point dont run cycles that are low in DHT or extremely suppressive like progestins and 19nors. Unless you have HCG, and DHT on hand.

-Matt

[bigadam73]

Matt-
Iv been in letro for 6 weeks now. My gyno has shrunk by 70% im planning to start tapering off of the letro this week. The problem is my nipples, mainly the right one, are still super puffy. I will start nolva after my last dose of letro.
Is there anything I can do for the puffiness?
Could the puffiness be caused by prolactin/progesterone gyno?
I originally got delayed gyno 4 months after a h-drol cycle

[csa2179]

AH has a better absorption rate than plain stano, and if stacked with epi it would make for a really good recomp/cut. Might be a bit dry, but that's not a big deal. I'd run the epi 6 weeks and the ah 8. Ive seen logs where people just used one of these compounds and got great results in reducing gyno. So I would imagine the stack would be impressive.

[bigadam73]

Could I taper off letro then jump right into a androhard cycle?

[MattPorter]

Matt-
Iv been in letro for 6 weeks now. My gyno has shrunk by 70% im planning to start tapering off of the letro this week. The problem is my nipples, mainly the right one, are still super puffy. I will start nolva after my last dose of letro.
Is there anything I can do for the puffiness?
Could the puffiness be caused by prolactin/progesterone gyno?
I originally got delayed gyno 4 months after a h-drol cycle

Wow 70% is major -- good news there.

The puffiness is hormonal I am reasoned -- as I have been very lean but some days the puffiness is more pronounced. I think it was nandrolone product that caused this cosmetic effect if not mistaken...

Would be IDEAL to taper off LETRO as you introduce AROMASIN to catch ANY trace of rebound. Then run aromasin for 4 weeks then you should be primed and ready to run the AndroHard.

-Matt

[bigadam73]

Matt-

Could I run nolva instead of aromasin to prevent rebound? I have nolva on hand and I really can't afford to buy another research Chem?

If the puffiness Is hormonal do you think a endocrinologist could correct the hormonal imbalance, or would they just recommend surgery?

[bigadam73]

Hey Matt.

Could I run nolva instead of aromasin to prevent rebound form coming off letro?

Also would it be a good or bad idea to add In a natty T booster like daa? The letro destroyed my sex drive.

Lastly why is androhard damn expensive? It would be much cheaper for Me to run a epistane cycle, they are both essentially dht derivatives right?

[uubiduu]

Safest and quickest way to get rid of gyno would be surgery bro. Don't fu*k with your hormones more trying to make it better and end up making it worse. I've seen people bring their gyno down with letro and a serm but if it's set in already.....only solution is surgery. Costs 7,000 so start saving.

No surgery for such a minimal gyno; risks and costs arent worth it.