Clomid Superdrol PCT didn't work, no libido

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  1. Testicles usually take a bit to recover, if there anywhere from 70 to 80 of what they were before, your on the right track. This means the necessary things are being done by your body. As for Test boosters, there mostly proprietary blends which means you dont really know what the specific dosages of what are in them. On top of that, many have down right worthless ingredients. Im a huge fan of DAA, it works, and has been clinically tested to do so, but like i said, you should wait until we know what E2 comes back as. Keep fighting.

    Ray


  2. Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    Oh i know all about clomids sides ha. Why are my T boosters useless? What would you suggest? I know what LH is too. No i got my bloods recently done about 3 weeks after finishing clomid ( which i only took for 10 days after hcg) so maybe its skewed but idk! Ill call tomorrow and see what lh and fsh were, also estradiol should be ready this week, maybe tomorrow! I see the Supps to take now. How much fish oil should it be? Ive been taking about 5 G of Vit C a day. I know ive been a baby, it just got me off guard. i have been getting out alot, it just is hard to keep up is all. i will keep at it though. im gonna lay off the stims. my testicles are probably 75 or 80% what they were pre cycle they were huge before... I really thought id be feeling enthusiastic by now and full of just sexual and career drive you know? im sure i hindered that with supplements and such. also i thought my testicles would be larger by now too. i guess all i can do is wait and try harder
    another thing with vit C, you know they also say its an anti oxidant and what not, well guess what lol, its only an antioxidant at 500 mg dosages. When you get into the 1000 mg range, it actually becomes a pro-oxidant lmfao, go figure. Like i said, 500 mg 3 times a day is plenty.
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  3. Clomid blows, i hate that ****, they sat androgens cause agression, jesus, try synthetic estrogens, that **** is insanity in a pill.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    another thing with vit C, you know they also say its an anti oxidant and what not, well guess what lol, its only an antioxidant at 500 mg dosages. When you get into the 1000 mg range, it actually becomes a pro-oxidant lmfao, go figure. Like i said, 500 mg 3 times a day is plenty.
    ha my luck. for some reason i had read that with cortisol or stress issues your body has trouble absorbing it so you need to mega dose it.

  5. i wouldnt be surprised if my recovery is longer mentally just because ive been out of the game and feeling natural and normal for so long now. **** its been 14 months.i still think ill know when im feeling good again, and not have to convince myself im okay. i dont think i should have to relearn how to be me again. i think once i get my test energy and sexual drive back, my mood depression and anxiety will level.

  6. yep. .. i think ur partialy right there. go out this weekend and bang a few fat chicks if u have too
    GAME ON! MOVAH FUKAZ!
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/231867-man-sports-gameday.html#post4047619

  7. Estradiol came back 27

  8. Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    Estradiol came back 27
    Wats the ref range?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Wats the ref range?
    Isn't it always like 10-40

  10. Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    Isn't it always like 10-40
    Not always, depends on the lab and units of measure. This is important. Call the doc find out for sure. Tbh, if you are correct, then its a bit on the high side but certainly not catastrophic. Lookin good kid. If im right, i think your on the way back to a normal, drug free recovery. I want you to try and get your hands on some pharmaceutical grade nolva and torem. If in 3 to 4 weeks you have not shown any improvement, should we need to attempt a restart of the pct, they will be important.

    Now, i DO want you to add some supplements. Heres the list:
    Citrulline malate 4 g ed. This will improve erection strength substantially which will turn give you more confidence for some wet work should the occasion arise.
    ZMA: self explanatory
    L-carnitine tartarate: clinically proven to increase androgen receptor density in resistance trained athletes. Shoot for 4 grams a day as well with some carbs. Split dose twice a day. Take some carbs with each dose
    Ginseng: great for overall mood and energy: you love it and it will help. Get a brand with a high ginsenosides quantity. Thats the key with ginseng

    Finally, and you may laugh at this, but i think it helps. Wear loose fitting underwear such that your scrotum is not compressed. Helps me, laugh it up, but try it. See what happens, thank me later

    Thats it for now. Update once or twice a week on your mood and libido levels. Well go from there.

    Ray
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Not always, depends on the lab and units of measure. This is important. Call the doc find out for sure. Tbh, if you are correct, then its a bit on the high side but certainly not catastrophic. Lookin good kid. If im right, i think your on the way back to a normal, drug free recovery. I want you to try and get your hands on some pharmaceutical grade nolva and torem. If in 3 to 4 weeks you have not shown any improvement, should we need to attempt a restart of the pct, they will be important. Now, i DO want you to add some supplements. Heres the list:Citrulline malate 4 g ed. This will improve erection strength substantially which will turn give you more confidence for some wet work should the occasion arise.ZMA: self explanatoryL-carnitine tartarate: clinically proven to increase androgen receptor density in resistance trained athletes. Shoot for 4 grams a day as well with some carbs. Split dose twice a day. Take some carbs with each doseGinseng: great for overall mood and energy: you love it and it will help. Get a brand with a high ginsenosides quantity. Thats the key with ginsengFinally, and you may laugh at this, but i think it helps. Wear loose fitting underwear such that your scrotum is not compressed. Helps me, laugh it up, but try it. See what happens, thank me later Thats it for now. Update once or twice a week on your mood and libido levels. Well go from there.Ray
    isnt there a few kinds of ginseng. Siberian Korean American Panax etc? What kid do I want? I always wear loose boxers. The doc said the estradiol was good so idk if they helps you narrow that down or not. It feels as if I have no test. Just low test symptoms. No interest in sex. No just daily erections. No sensitivity downstairs at all. Numbness. No mental drive for work or exercise. No self control. I still work at it though. No energy. Super anxious and getting down on myself because of the feelings. Feel girly. Indecisive and all that. I used to be constantly excited happy chipper pep in my step horny. I find it weird that steroids cause my testicles to shrink and ppl don't think that matters. They say as long as they are decent size you're fine. But shouldn't I be 100% of my testicle size? I felt great when they were 100% bulging. Now and since the supplements they've never been even 80% and I feel terrible. How is there not more of a correlation? Why do they shrink this much anyways?

  12. How much fish oil should I take? Is it okay to take 1 g of Vit C in the morning and 500 mg before bed? Still take vitamin B D and multi right?

  13. By the way. A doc will not give me pharm grade torem Nolva clomid if my T is well into normal range

  14. Ok,

    So im betting you had high hopes that the e2 was gunna be insanely high, pop an anti e and be back to normal? Guess again, you are dealing with one of the most senative organs in the body and imtensely comples ratios of hormones that only your own body knows how to balance and if youve ever taken even an intro biochem class, youl know its more than capable.

    Lets recap for a second so you have a better picture. You took heavy doses of designer oral steroids with no real gaurantee that the hormones on the label were wat were actually in the pills for a very extended period of time. No **** you feel this way!!!!!!!!! Your supposed to feel this way. Make no mistake, you likely caused severe damage to your hpta at such a young and developing age. You need to come to grips physchology first that you are in fact not normal now, you are partially hypogonal, and this is a medical condition that must be treated as such. You are not ok. Let me be clear again.

    Once you accept thia fact we can break it down into science. Your testicles by your suggestion are not producing enough t for your liking. This is normal, they have been coming back slowly as you say, but again, for them to reach 100% normal it cannot go back to over night or even months after the damage they sustained. Second point. All hope is not last, your e2 is somewhat high. Your hpta needs time to recover. Give it more time. Now for the good news, considering your chemical castration cycle, you have faired pretty well. Based on your numbers there is an lh signal that will likely continue to increase over time. What your likely feeling is the hormonal imbalance aspect and once this begins to resolve youl continue to feel incrementally better. Now you also have to understand that the body responds well to external stimulation and you hve to give it that. You need to excercise for your body to reward you hormonally and you need to engage in sexual activity and flirting for it to respond in term by producing more sperm and t.

    Look im not a doc, i dont pretend to have all your answers or cure you, i dont. But based on experiance and what medical knowledge i do have, youl get better considerqbly over time, theres been plenty of guys that recoverd from alot worse than this, and there are other tools and options if all else fails, which it wont. Time

    Now for the fish oil, depending on concentration, close to 6 to 8 a day. It is not ok to take 1500 mg of vit c, take only 500 sometimes less is more.

  15. And yes still take b d and e vitamins. Those are fine.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    By the way. A doc will not give me pharm grade torem Nolva clomid if my T is well into normal range
    Who said anything about a doc? Of course he wont!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Who said anything about a doc? Of course he wont!
    Haha where would I get pharm grade stuff then? The research chem clomid took my T to at least 800 according to an old blood test. Like I said it dropped after though. Do my testicles need to be 100% for my balls to accept this much test and libido?

  18. Oh okay. I thought you said 500 mg of Vit C 3x a day. So I thought 1000 mg once then 500 mg later. Not okay then? My fish oil is 1000mg per Sofitel. Yeah no most messing with hormones for me. It's very hard to flirt with such little energy ya know. I can do it myself for now if that's enough. I will keep doing the things you say such as exercising eating eggs and more meats... I guess I just thought that if my hormone numbers were good I should feel good. I guess there is like a delaying effect phase where you need to quit it all and let yourself reset to its perfect needs and ratios.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    And yes still take b d and e vitamins. Those are fine.
    What ginseng do you recommend?

  20. Il pm you a source if you actually end up needing them in 4 weeks when you get another blood test also make sure you go to all your endo and other doc appointments. Youll only gain and who knows they might find something completely unrelated. Just go, thank me later

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Il pm you a source if you actually end up needing them in 4 weeks when you get another blood test also make sure you go to all your endo and other doc appointments. Youll only gain and who knows they might find something completely unrelated. Just go, thank me later
    I want to go. It's not like I'm being forced. I set up the appointments.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    What ginseng do you recommend?
    Get siberian and american.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    Oh okay. I thought you said 500 mg of Vit C 3x a day. So I thought 1000 mg once then 500 mg later. Not okay then? My fish oil is 1000mg per Sofitel. Yeah no most messing with hormones for me. It's very hard to flirt with such little energy ya know. I can do it myself for now if that's enough. I will keep doing the things you say such as exercising eating eggs and more meats... I guess I just thought that if my hormone numbers were good I should feel good. I guess there is like a delaying effect phase where you need to quit it all and let yourself reset to its perfect needs and ratios.
    Absolutely. Its not all about the numbers. Takes a while for everything to snap back into the proper ratios.

  24. Is it possible that just taking these supplements could make it worse? Like is there a point where I need to stop everything and just let me body sort itself out?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Absolutely. Its not all about the numbers. Takes a while for everything to snap back into the proper ratios.
    How long does it usually take people from short cycles, normal cycles, long cycles, and my messed up crazy cycle? Once you recover with the numbers, how long does it take some ppl to actually start feeling better and eventually normal?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Get siberian and american.
    both at the same time?

  27. None of the supplements i listed are hormonal will in any negative way affect your recovery. Its up to you tho.
    In terms of recovery, its really hard to say. Some guys can be back in a couple of months others in a couple of years.

  28. I'm pretty shaky, stressed, and worrysome all day I've noticed. Faster heartbeat for no reason. I'm guessing its from worrying about all this and my body overcompensating for not having any energy

  29. Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    I'm pretty shaky, stressed, and worrysome all day I've noticed. Faster heartbeat for no reason. I'm guessing its from worrying about all this and my body overcompensating for not having any energy
    You have no idea how bad stress is for the body, and thinking about this makes it so much worse. Chances are youll be fine. Stress causes surges in cortisol, i knew youb be stressed, so i recomended vit c to blunt the cortisol to a certain degree

  30. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    You have no idea how bad stress is for the body, and thinking about this makes it so much worse. Chances are youll be fine. Stress causes surges in cortisol, i knew youb be stressed, so i recomended vit c to blunt the cortisol to a certain degree
    Yeah that's why I'm taking the other adaptogens already: Rhodiola, Ashwagandha, and holy basil Cool ill update regularly
  

  
 

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