Clomid Superdrol PCT didn't work, no libido
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My aromasin was a sponsor. I think I did 3 days at 25 mg, 1 at 12.5 mg and today at 6.25 mg. gyno has shrunk from it to almost unnoticeable. Great. I may have gotten rid of gyno a while back, but it came back with estrogen rebound so I'm guessing if I'm in range with estrogen, it will be very minimal. I should know E2 by Wednesday and I will let you know ASAP...
That is what I figured about my body. It was just hard to commit to taking nothing and letting it normalize because right after pct last time I was fine. Plus my estrogen is high this time so yeah. Much healthier bloat now. Definately don't wanna overdo it.
My mental state is hard to explain. That 'out of it' feeling is kinda like you daze off into a day dream and can't stop thinking about things. Like when iu look at a spot on a wall and everything gets fuzzy. It's hard to concentrate and live a normal social life like that. It scares me when ppl say that's all mental because what if it is? Although it surely isn't in my case. I've worked at it. As for sexual pleasure, it's just down. Sensation and sensitivity just isn't there and my conversation ability and enthusiasm isn't there either. Nothing pumps me up. Nothing gets me happy excited.
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05-13-2013, 06:59 PM
Hey man, nobody said you are crazy, but the situation you are going through is way beyond our knowledge (well for most of us) and we cannot help you on something we don't know because we might make you even worse .I told you too to ask from your doctor a prescription for an AI, because I think its all about your E levels that make feel like that . I'm more than glad to see you are getting better and there is someone on this forum who can help you for real.
That's me 8 months ago
05-13-2013, 07:46 PM
What do you mean your Aromasin was sponser. And yea man, dont take antidepressents, think you feel crazy now, that **** is poison and it will murder your sex drive.
How is erection quality, can you maintain it?
Also, you should now be taking the following:
Fish oil, like as many as you can take a day, seriously. B vitamins and 500 mg, not 1000, just 500 mg of vitamin c 3 times a day to blunt cortisol. Dont take anymore aromasin until we get your e2 numbers back. Dont throw all your test boosters either, well need those eventually, but not until we get the complete picture. And yea, docs and shrinks are not trained to deal with this type of thing. They just have no idea what there dealing with, i guarantee you there is no written differential diagnosis for over zelous 22 year old kid that took 4 oral, designer hepatoxic steroids. Not knocking docs, i plain to become one, but you will likely get more useful info on the boards. Go to your appointments anyway, youl need them for blood work and scripts. Im subscribed to this thread like i said before, so update and il answer
05-13-2013, 07:50 PM
I dont kno if your still lifting but you also need to quit moping around and feeling sorry for yourself. Get your ass back in the gym. Lift heavy and hard. Focus on bench, squat, deadlifts, pullups. Compound lifts will force your body into producing more natural t and growth hormone. Save the bball for cardio. You need to be in there 3 times a week minimum. Get back on your goal of being a beast in the gym and watch your intrest, aggression, focus and drive return. You need a shor term goal like the gym, thats what will respark your intrest in life along with the hormonal issues we will be addressing..
05-13-2013, 07:53 PM
And no you are certainly not crazy. Wanna know why, il tell you. You know you ****ed up and now your here trying to get advice from ppl more experienced than yourself. Your listening and hopefully learning from your mistakes. That is the definition of sanity my friend.
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I'm always worrying in stressful situations because I the energy mood libido situation. I used to be such a dominating figure. Very athletic like able. Good looking. Ladies man. Just hard to be when you can't be yourself. No more stimulants for me. Maybe that will help w the stress
05-14-2013, 01:06 AM
didnt read 7 of the pages cause i gotta go to work soon..
but did anyone mention HCG for you?
CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html
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Okay here it goes:2012:March 18-April 10: My cycleApril 10-May 8: PCT of Clomid 50 mg/dayMay 8-June 20: Nothing. Maybe ZMA, some T boosters, Caffeine as I felt unrecovered and tired.June 20-July 15: Clomid 150/100/100/50July 15-September 10: Nothing, same with maybe T Boosters and caffeine. Cant remember specifics. Seemed like I always was on and off with them both to help with fat loss and appetite.September 10-October 8- Clomid 100/100/50/50 Torem 90/90/60/60. First time i noticed testicle size increase. Not alot, Maybe from 50% increasing to maybe 70%. Seemed to end up around 60%.October 8: Blood work. Estradiol- 45ish, T 660ish. Good free T, LH, FSH. Felt terrible.November 20- December 10: Clomid again. Dunno the doses.December 10: Blood work around 800 T, 40s in Estradiol.Had blood tests about a month after each blood test that followed the Clomid runs. They always came back to about half the T levels I had from the blood test a month before.T Boosters taken in no particular order include: ZMA 3x (3 different times), Isa Test GF 2x, Libido XY 3x, Reversitol v2 and Formadrol Xtreme (which I took for my first PCT in Fall of '11), DAA 2x. May be a few more I tried.2013:May have taken clomid a bit again cant really remember.February 10: Blood test. T 400ish, Free T okay, don't remember E2.Random T boosters and pre workouts this year too.March 18- April 1: HCG 2,000 IU EOD, Nolva 20 mg ED, Letro 1.5 mg ED.April 1-April 10: Clomid 50 mg ED, Nolva 20 mg ED Forma Stanzol.May 1: Blood Work: Test=657, Total Estrogen=170 (needs to be under 130), Free T was right in the middle of the range. Everything else checked for was in the okay range, including TSH, T3, T4, (LH, FSH- need to find out what these 2 actually are), CBC, Liver Enzymes, Vitamin Panel, Prolactin, Progesterone, may be more stuff I cant remember. ONLY THING I HAVENT GOTTEN BACK YET IS ESTRADIOL. I will have this soon.May 10-Now: Aromasin about 25/25/25/then 12.5 mg from then until now, Libido XY, Fadogia, Fenugreek, Bridge, Unleashed, Fish Oil, (Multi, Vit B complex, Vit D, Vit C, Melatonin all for about 3 months now), Ashwaghanda, Rhodiola, Holy Basil.Ran out of Unleashed and Bridge is about gone. I also have unopened PCT MAXX, Tribulus, and Isa Test GF. I can spend money on it. More important than anything right now. There may be more stuff but thats it for the most part.I can reverse gyno in a heartbeat with aromasin but it never seems to stay away once i taper down the dose. I took only 6.25 mg this morning and it already seemed to come back so i added another 6.25 mg tonight.Also about sleep: dont sleep great, but i can and have been sleeping in as long as i want. Not in school because of this.Have a Non functioning Pituitary Tumor. Multiple Neurosurgeons and my last Endo ran tests and decided it isnt causing any problems.
05-14-2013, 03:09 AM
Jesus man Im using *Shift Return* and its not making new tabs when i post it. Im not sure how to. its gotta be hard for you guys to read.
05-14-2013, 03:18 AM
Ok, lets go thru this step by step:
My first concern with all this was the pituitary tumor, but you were fine before this nasty cycle as you mentioned, so like your docs say, if its inactive its not likely the root of these problems.
Second: Clomid would not have been my drug of choice for your pct, but thats ok. It is normal to see elevated T levels in blood work with clomid only to have them drop again after. This happens to alot of guys and it usually works it self out. Now pay attention closely to this, my BIGGEST issue with all this so far is the quality of your SERMS. I have nothing against research chems nor the companies that manufacture them, but do yourself a favor and acquire REAL PHARMACEUTICAL GRADE PCT DRUGS. That way we can rule out in the future bunk stuff being the culprit. If you dont know where to get them, google is your friend, they are not hard to acquire. Many of these are complex molecules, not exactly intended for suspension in benzyl alcohol or PEG so you can squirt them in your mouth.
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