Clomid Superdrol PCT didn't work, no libido
- 05-13-2013, 08:39 PM
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- 05-13-2013, 09:24 PM
check out. only skimmed through it but looks like something u might be intrested in
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_onl...ctin_gh_libidoGAME ON! MOVAH FUKAZ!
05-13-2013, 11:04 PM
I just ordered som b6
05-13-2013, 11:05 PM
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05-14-2013, 12:24 AM
05-14-2013, 12:28 AM
I'm always worrying in stressful situations because I the energy mood libido situation. I used to be such a dominating figure. Very athletic like able. Good looking. Ladies man. Just hard to be when you can't be yourself. No more stimulants for me. Maybe that will help w the stress
05-14-2013, 01:06 AM
- 5'11" 224 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jun 2008
- Rep Power
- Lv. Percent
didnt read 7 of the pages cause i gotta go to work soon..
but did anyone mention HCG for you?
CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html
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05-14-2013, 03:08 AM
Okay here it goes:2012:March 18-April 10: My cycleApril 10-May 8: PCT of Clomid 50 mg/dayMay 8-June 20: Nothing. Maybe ZMA, some T boosters, Caffeine as I felt unrecovered and tired.June 20-July 15: Clomid 150/100/100/50July 15-September 10: Nothing, same with maybe T Boosters and caffeine. Cant remember specifics. Seemed like I always was on and off with them both to help with fat loss and appetite.September 10-October 8- Clomid 100/100/50/50 Torem 90/90/60/60. First time i noticed testicle size increase. Not alot, Maybe from 50% increasing to maybe 70%. Seemed to end up around 60%.October 8: Blood work. Estradiol- 45ish, T 660ish. Good free T, LH, FSH. Felt terrible.November 20- December 10: Clomid again. Dunno the doses.December 10: Blood work around 800 T, 40s in Estradiol.Had blood tests about a month after each blood test that followed the Clomid runs. They always came back to about half the T levels I had from the blood test a month before.T Boosters taken in no particular order include: ZMA 3x (3 different times), Isa Test GF 2x, Libido XY 3x, Reversitol v2 and Formadrol Xtreme (which I took for my first PCT in Fall of '11), DAA 2x. May be a few more I tried.2013:May have taken clomid a bit again cant really remember.February 10: Blood test. T 400ish, Free T okay, don't remember E2.Random T boosters and pre workouts this year too.March 18- April 1: HCG 2,000 IU EOD, Nolva 20 mg ED, Letro 1.5 mg ED.April 1-April 10: Clomid 50 mg ED, Nolva 20 mg ED Forma Stanzol.May 1: Blood Work: Test=657, Total Estrogen=170 (needs to be under 130), Free T was right in the middle of the range. Everything else checked for was in the okay range, including TSH, T3, T4, (LH, FSH- need to find out what these 2 actually are), CBC, Liver Enzymes, Vitamin Panel, Prolactin, Progesterone, may be more stuff I cant remember. ONLY THING I HAVENT GOTTEN BACK YET IS ESTRADIOL. I will have this soon.May 10-Now: Aromasin about 25/25/25/then 12.5 mg from then until now, Libido XY, Fadogia, Fenugreek, Bridge, Unleashed, Fish Oil, (Multi, Vit B complex, Vit D, Vit C, Melatonin all for about 3 months now), Ashwaghanda, Rhodiola, Holy Basil.Ran out of Unleashed and Bridge is about gone. I also have unopened PCT MAXX, Tribulus, and Isa Test GF. I can spend money on it. More important than anything right now. There may be more stuff but thats it for the most part.I can reverse gyno in a heartbeat with aromasin but it never seems to stay away once i taper down the dose. I took only 6.25 mg this morning and it already seemed to come back so i added another 6.25 mg tonight.Also about sleep: dont sleep great, but i can and have been sleeping in as long as i want. Not in school because of this.Have a Non functioning Pituitary Tumor. Multiple Neurosurgeons and my last Endo ran tests and decided it isnt causing any problems.
05-14-2013, 03:09 AM
Jesus man Im using *Shift Return* and its not making new tabs when i post it. Im not sure how to. its gotta be hard for you guys to read.
05-14-2013, 03:18 AM
Ok, lets go thru this step by step:
My first concern with all this was the pituitary tumor, but you were fine before this nasty cycle as you mentioned, so like your docs say, if its inactive its not likely the root of these problems.
Second: Clomid would not have been my drug of choice for your pct, but thats ok. It is normal to see elevated T levels in blood work with clomid only to have them drop again after. This happens to alot of guys and it usually works it self out. Now pay attention closely to this, my BIGGEST issue with all this so far is the quality of your SERMS. I have nothing against research chems nor the companies that manufacture them, but do yourself a favor and acquire REAL PHARMACEUTICAL GRADE PCT DRUGS. That way we can rule out in the future bunk stuff being the culprit. If you dont know where to get them, google is your friend, they are not hard to acquire. Many of these are complex molecules, not exactly intended for suspension in benzyl alcohol or PEG so you can squirt them in your mouth.
05-14-2013, 03:39 AM
05-14-2013, 03:40 AM
oh btw, how are testicles looking today, starting to come back or still somewhat atrophied?
05-14-2013, 03:56 AM
05-14-2013, 04:26 AM
HCG seemed to firm up my testicles but not really increase their size idk if that's normal or not
05-14-2013, 04:27 AM
Testicles usually take a bit to recover, if there anywhere from 70 to 80 of what they were before, your on the right track. This means the necessary things are being done by your body. As for Test boosters, there mostly proprietary blends which means you dont really know what the specific dosages of what are in them. On top of that, many have down right worthless ingredients. Im a huge fan of DAA, it works, and has been clinically tested to do so, but like i said, you should wait until we know what E2 comes back as. Keep fighting.
05-14-2013, 04:29 AM
05-14-2013, 04:31 AM
Clomid blows, i hate that ****, they sat androgens cause agression, jesus, try synthetic estrogens, that **** is insanity in a pill.
05-14-2013, 04:38 AM
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i wouldnt be surprised if my recovery is longer mentally just because ive been out of the game and feeling natural and normal for so long now. **** its been 14 months.i still think ill know when im feeling good again, and not have to convince myself im okay. i dont think i should have to relearn how to be me again. i think once i get my test energy and sexual drive back, my mood depression and anxiety will level.
05-14-2013, 11:49 AM
yep. .. i think ur partialy right there. go out this weekend and bang a few fat chicks if u have too
GAME ON! MOVAH FUKAZ!
05-14-2013, 07:27 PM
Estradiol came back 27
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05-14-2013, 11:25 PM
Now, i DO want you to add some supplements. Heres the list:
Citrulline malate 4 g ed. This will improve erection strength substantially which will turn give you more confidence for some wet work should the occasion arise.
ZMA: self explanatory
L-carnitine tartarate: clinically proven to increase androgen receptor density in resistance trained athletes. Shoot for 4 grams a day as well with some carbs. Split dose twice a day. Take some carbs with each dose
Ginseng: great for overall mood and energy: you love it and it will help. Get a brand with a high ginsenosides quantity. Thats the key with ginseng
Finally, and you may laugh at this, but i think it helps. Wear loose fitting underwear such that your scrotum is not compressed. Helps me, laugh it up, but try it. See what happens, thank me later
Thats it for now. Update once or twice a week on your mood and libido levels. Well go from there.
05-15-2013, 12:43 AM
05-15-2013, 01:05 AM
How much fish oil should I take? Is it okay to take 1 g of Vit C in the morning and 500 mg before bed? Still take vitamin B D and multi right?
05-15-2013, 01:31 AM
By the way. A doc will not give me pharm grade torem Nolva clomid if my T is well into normal range
05-15-2013, 01:40 AM
So im betting you had high hopes that the e2 was gunna be insanely high, pop an anti e and be back to normal? Guess again, you are dealing with one of the most senative organs in the body and imtensely comples ratios of hormones that only your own body knows how to balance and if youve ever taken even an intro biochem class, youl know its more than capable.
Lets recap for a second so you have a better picture. You took heavy doses of designer oral steroids with no real gaurantee that the hormones on the label were wat were actually in the pills for a very extended period of time. No **** you feel this way!!!!!!!!! Your supposed to feel this way. Make no mistake, you likely caused severe damage to your hpta at such a young and developing age. You need to come to grips physchology first that you are in fact not normal now, you are partially hypogonal, and this is a medical condition that must be treated as such. You are not ok. Let me be clear again.
Once you accept thia fact we can break it down into science. Your testicles by your suggestion are not producing enough t for your liking. This is normal, they have been coming back slowly as you say, but again, for them to reach 100% normal it cannot go back to over night or even months after the damage they sustained. Second point. All hope is not last, your e2 is somewhat high. Your hpta needs time to recover. Give it more time. Now for the good news, considering your chemical castration cycle, you have faired pretty well. Based on your numbers there is an lh signal that will likely continue to increase over time. What your likely feeling is the hormonal imbalance aspect and once this begins to resolve youl continue to feel incrementally better. Now you also have to understand that the body responds well to external stimulation and you hve to give it that. You need to excercise for your body to reward you hormonally and you need to engage in sexual activity and flirting for it to respond in term by producing more sperm and t.
Look im not a doc, i dont pretend to have all your answers or cure you, i dont. But based on experiance and what medical knowledge i do have, youl get better considerqbly over time, theres been plenty of guys that recoverd from alot worse than this, and there are other tools and options if all else fails, which it wont. Time
Now for the fish oil, depending on concentration, close to 6 to 8 a day. It is not ok to take 1500 mg of vit c, take only 500 sometimes less is more.
05-15-2013, 01:40 AM
And yes still take b d and e vitamins. Those are fine.
05-15-2013, 01:41 AM
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05-15-2013, 01:50 AM
Oh okay. I thought you said 500 mg of Vit C 3x a day. So I thought 1000 mg once then 500 mg later. Not okay then? My fish oil is 1000mg per Sofitel. Yeah no most messing with hormones for me. It's very hard to flirt with such little energy ya know. I can do it myself for now if that's enough. I will keep doing the things you say such as exercising eating eggs and more meats... I guess I just thought that if my hormone numbers were good I should feel good. I guess there is like a delaying effect phase where you need to quit it all and let yourself reset to its perfect needs and ratios.
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05-15-2013, 01:56 AM
Il pm you a source if you actually end up needing them in 4 weeks when you get another blood test also make sure you go to all your endo and other doc appointments. Youll only gain and who knows they might find something completely unrelated. Just go, thank me later
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