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    I'd throw in exemestane to lower e2 levels.

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    Okay update: got bloods again.
    Testosterone Serum 807 of 348-1197
    Free Testosterone 33.65 of 5-21
    % Free Testosterone 4.17 of 1.5-4.2
    Estradiol is 35.4 of 7.6-42.6


    Ive been on Clomid for 5 days at 100 mg/day. Should I add A-dex in? I have it. Because I have no libido... whats going on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Your e2 is high. Keep running your ai.
    Where do i want my E2 levels to be at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhns2 View Post
    Add in your ai sir.

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    what dose of Arimidex?
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    .5 eod. Someone else could chime in if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    what dose of Arimidex?
    you ran a big boy oral with no idea of dosing for AI? tisk tisk. as lhns said .5 eod. get bloods done if you're still having issues and post them
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    you ran a big boy oral with no idea of dosing for AI? tisk tisk. as lhns said .5 eod. get bloods done if you're still having issues and post them
    Yeah, mistake, but learning from mistakes. Done with unnatural supplements now ! But anyways, whats your time estimate on when the a-dex should lower my estradiol to a good number? Also, will being on clomid affect estradiol or testosterone levels on a blood test? I know it raises testosterone, but if I wasn't on it would my T actually be like 100 points lower or is there even any science to it?
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    From what I've seen on studies clomid raises estrogen and test. I haven't used adex I use exemestame so I'm mot entirely sure. I would assume with in 3-5 days.

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    Update guys. Still no libido/ energy. Almost 3 weeks now on clomid 100/50/25. Torem will be arriving tomorrow too just incase. Testicles don't seem to be filling out much at all even if my test is increasing. What's going on with that? And when do you need hcg. After all I have been shutdown for about 7 months
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    Hcg during cycle, not sure for pct. Have you tried daa and maybe an AI like formeron? Hope you get back to normal soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhns2 View Post
    Hcg during cycle, not sure for pct. Have you tried daa and maybe an AI like formeron? Hope you get back to normal soon.

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    Ive tried daa. Been on a dex for over a week too. Even some prami for a week. Nothing so far. I also have letro.
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    I believe so because my test went up from 630 to 807 after a week of clomid (349-1197) free test through the roof. So is LH
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    Let me tell you guys one thing, going through this for over half a year has been hell. No amount of muscle in the world is worth this. No confidence energy desire for anything really sucks and adds up.
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    Get a blood test and then restart this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Get a blood test and then restart this thread
    I've gotten 4 blood tests done. Test was 660 then 636 then 807 (349-1197) in that order. And free test was above the range of normal and estradiol was 39 then 36 (?-42)
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    Your blood tests don't look that bad to me. Your estrogen is a little high. Try Erase (or Erase Pro) for a few weeks. Your test levels are fine. You are NOT shutdown. My first thought is that this could just be nerves.
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    This sounds more mental than biological. 3 major causes of libido loss are depression, drug and alcohol use and androgens. It sounds like the 3rd one has been ruled out.
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    Hmm I don't know. I just don't get those sexual urges anymore. Ever. No motivation or agression either. I have been on serms for each blood test though so maybe my test isn't really that high? And maybe the recent one (807) Test level is an improvement and I could be even higher now as that was a week and a half ago or so and I'm still taking clomid. So maybe it's the clomid messing with me? I already paid for another blood test so I can go get it whenever. Thursday marks the 3 week line of clomid. Torem will be here tomorrow too. Balls are bigger than when started but not as big as ore cycle. Just no sex drive or agression, motivation, dominance, or confidence is present.
    Doc prescribed my anti Depressant meds a while back but they didnt really help me. And definitely didnt help sex drive any.
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    I haven't drank in almost 2 months now Also does adderall affect test? Or nuts recovery? Because I've taken it for like 3 weeks now on and off because the doc have me some to deal with low energy. It helps w energy but its fake and not really me. I've been like a zombie without it and a zombie going through the motions better with it. I read somewhere that it blocks dopamine uptake/production which allows less test to be made somehow? Can't remember exactly what it was or where I found it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldMan View Post
    Your blood tests don't look that bad to me. Your estrogen is a little high. Try Erase (or Erase Pro) for a few weeks. Your test levels are fine. You are NOT shutdown. My first thought is that this could just be nerves.
    Tries erase for a few weeks a while back. Switched to a dex a couple weeks ago. I think in a week or so erase dropped estradiol from 39 to 36 or 35ish. So idk about that man. But thanks for helping. And to everyone else I really appreciate this. We all learn from our mistakes and grow from them. And I definitely have learned a lot from this dark spell. Both about androgens, my body, and myself as a person in general. I almost know what it feels like to be a girl now ! Haha wow.
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    I ran a heavy superdrol cycle about 2 months back. 4 weeks at 30mg..

    Anyway.. it took a good two weeks of Clomid and DAA to even get me FUNCTIONAL. Superdrol shut me down hard man.

    I'd say you need to take it easy for a while. Your bloods look good... I'd say your libido is a different issue.

    Pick up some yohimbine hcl 2.5mg, a solid horny goat weed extracted for icariin, and some bulk maca.

    Also, try a bulbine product as well. Made my balls swell up huge and INSANE libido (sns makes a good one, tropinol by iforce is killer as well)

    If this doesn't kick your libido into ludicrous speed then idk what will!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387
    ....I almost know what it feels like to be a girl now ! Haha wow.
    Your lady is getting pissed that you ain't putting out huh? Lol... the stuff we do to ourselves in the pursuit of mass...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387
    I haven't drank in almost 2 months now Also does adderall affect test? Or nuts recovery? Because I've taken it for like 3 weeks now on and off because the doc have me some to deal with low energy. It helps w energy but its fake and not really me. I've been like a zombie without it and a zombie going through the motions better with it. I read somewhere that it blocks dopamine uptake/production which allows less test to be made somehow? Can't remember exactly what it was or where I found it.


    Get off that stuff dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan666 View Post
    I ran a heavy superdrol cycle about 2 months back. 4 weeks at 30mg..

    Anyway.. it took a good two weeks of Clomid and DAA to even get me FUNCTIONAL. Superdrol shut me down hard man.

    I'd say you need to take it easy for a while. Your bloods look good... I'd say your libido is a different issue.

    Pick up some yohimbine hcl 2.5mg, a solid horny goat weed extracted for icariin, and some bulk maca.

    Also, try a bulbine product as well. Made my balls swell up huge and INSANE libido (sns makes a good one, tropinol by iforce is killer as well)

    If this doesn't kick your libido into ludicrous speed then idk what will!!

    im on a libido booster of a combo of maca horny goat weed Arginine trib avens sativa. Few more ingred. What is bulbine? I've never heard of that one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan666 View Post
    Your lady is getting pissed that you ain't putting out huh? Lol... the stuff we do to ourselves in the pursuit of mass...
    Haha. That's pretty funny actually. But I don't have a girl really at the moment. Was messing around w a girl in the summer and it was very difficult man. Mood is just in the ****ter because of this. Libido really affects me
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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387

    im on a libido booster of a combo of maca horny goat weed Arginine trib avens sativa. Few more ingred. What is bulbine? I've never heard of that one
    What dosages?

    Arginine is B.S. bro.. trib is hit or miss. What kind and what standardization of glycosides?

    Bulbine is badass. I love it. One of the best test boosters on the market IMO.

    How much do you weigh? It will dictate dosage... bulbine is finicky and has a U shaped response curve.

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    I am using Arginine Supplement 3-5 G/day to help w/ circulation because of the Adderall. Does it hurt my recovery to use ECA? Not worried about losing gains or size, the cycle was months ago remember.

    I weigh 210-ish. I was 225 almost 2 motnhs ago, but I've been cutting down. Trying to get to 190-ish. I'm on my second bottle of Alpha T2 and first of SNS TTA-500 to help me out with cutting. Not worried about size, I'm leaning more towards being athletic, lean, flexible, and not having to constantly stress over meals, protein etc. Trying to ween off of lifting a bit, doing more running now. I feel more comfortable at a lower weight and less bulky. I gained 15-20 lbs over the last 5 months from what I think was a combination of Estrogen troubles/Stress from my hormones being messed up/Low Testosterone.

    The Libido Supplements I'm on are Libido Male by KRK Supplements (3 cap serving= Proprietary blend 1,350 mg of: Saw Palmetto, L Arginine, Catuaba Bark- IDK what this is, Horny Goat Weed, Bilberry Leaf, Avena Sativa, Eurycoma Longfolia, amd Peruvian Maca Root. I take anywhere from 3-6 caps/day. Also, I've been running Nature's Bounty Horny Goat Weed, 2 caps: Horny Goat Weed 500 mg, Maca Extract 300 mg. I take 2 or 3 caps/day. I've been running these for a couple months now.

    Is Bulbine a test booster or libido booster? And how so, how exactly does it do whatever it is that it does?

    Also, up until this last week I had been taking Viridex XT for 3 weeks at either 4 or 6 caps/day. The recommended dose is 4, but it is a DAA proprietary blend, so I figured 4 caps didn't actually contain 3 G of DAA. I still have some left, but I stopped taking it because I heard it can actually hurt libido.

    Now, I have been running Clomid 200,100,100,100,75,75,75 mg for week 1, 50 mg for week 2, and now about 20 mg for these past 6 days. Torem will be here tomorrow too, so that is an option and I have an extra bottle of Clomid as well. Back acne is present, bloods have shown improvement, and I've been very emotional while on it, so I know the Clomid isn't bunk. About 3 or 4 weeks ago I started Erase and it lowered by Estradiol from 39 to 36 only after a week and a half or so, so I switched to A-Dex a couple weeks back and have been running it .25 mg or .5 mg/day (rotating). Also tried Letro one day at 1.25 mg out of sheer frustration because I know its legit because I used it to clear a couple lumps almost a year ago. I've taken Prami every other night for the past week and a half at about .75 mg, but I am about out.

    I've also been taking a Multi Vitamin, 5,000 IU Vitamin D, anywhere from 2-10 G Vitamin C, Finest Nutrition B-100 Complex, Fish Oil 2-8 G, and melatonin each day for about 2 months straight now.

    I ran a bottle of Revamp and finished it a few weeks ago and am about to finish my Rhodiola, and Ashwagandha. I took these because I thought it could be an Adrenal Gland problem.

    ^All of these are RIGHT NOW or just finished ( whatever I specified ).

    Remember, I took Clomid at 50/25/25 for 3 weeks right after my cycle in April. Did not recover after PCT, did not recover a moth or 2 after that. So I started that same bottle of Clomid again and dosed it something like 25 mg for 25 days along with Torem (from the same source) at 120 / 90 / 60 / 60 for 4 weeks. Never recovered. Also I took Isa Test GF the 2nd time around, Libido XY both times, Unleashed and Activate Xtreme the 2nd time, Maca both times, Formadrol Xtreme and Reversitol V2 the 1st time. I took Formadrol Xtreme and Reversitol V2 because I took it after my first cycle (Epi 30-40 mg, HDrol 100 mg, Stano Drol 400 mg all for 5 weeks) with no SERM, and in PCT my libido was shot but 2 weeks after PCT my libido was raging and stayed that way. Also took PCT Maxx after that Epi/Hdrol cycle. About 4 months later in March, I took this cycle that messed me up and haven't had a libido since I started the cycle (8 months now).

    My balls now are bigger than they were during or after either of the previous 2 PCTs/Restarts. But they are still not as big as they were before my cycles or after the Epi/HDrol cycle. Also it is worth noting that my Clomid and soon to arrive Torem are both from the same source: Stem ( replace the "m" with an "n", sorry IDK the sourcing rules all that well. BUT, my first 2 PCT/Restarts used Clomid and Torem from RS. Bunk maybe? I don't know because I never got blood tests until a month ago because I did not know about the online $50 approach.

    So there you have it boys, that basically covers it all. I'll try to think of anything else I've left out and let you know! Thanks!!
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    You're taking a lot of **** brother.

    5g bulk maca per day. NOW makes a 6:1 powder that I've used and is great.

    Arginine is bunk. Look up the studies. If you want circulation look for yohimbine or salvia mitizzhoria (sp?)

    Horny goat weed is difficult to find in a decent extract. Look for stoked by ai sports.

    Yohimbine jacks my libido up hard core. If you're taking alpha t2 then you should be covered.

    Bulbine has been shown to increase mounting frequency and testosterone in rats. It is awesome stuff. At your weight I believe you'd only need 2 bulbine caps per day.
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    Two SNS bulbine or iForce Tropinol caps****
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    And get off the Clomid already! Let your body normalize. I hate that **** it makes me bat **** crazy. Your bloods are fine man you don't need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan666 View Post
    You're taking a lot of **** brother.

    5g bulk maca per day. NOW makes a 6:1 powder that I've used and is great.

    Arginine is bunk. Look up the studies. If you want circulation look for yohimbine or salvia mitizzhoria (sp?)

    Horny goat weed is difficult to find in a decent extract. Look for stoked by ai sports.

    Yohimbine jacks my libido up hard core. If you're taking alpha t2 then you should be covered.

    Bulbine has been shown to increase mounting frequency and testosterone in rats. It is awesome stuff. At your weight I believe you'd only need 2 bulbine caps per day.
    I didnt realize the Alpha T2 helped with Circulation. So Arginine is worthless then? Would the Alpha T2 increase libido then because of the yohimbine?
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    What about how my nuts still seem somewhat deflated. Not very hard to the touch and not as big as normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387

    I didnt realize the Alpha T2 helped with Circulation. So Arginine is worthless then? Would the Alpha T2 increase libido then because of the yohimbine?
    Arginine is pretty much worthless yes. Alpha T2 contains alpha yohimbine which is better than standard yohimbine and higenamine. Both products increase bloodflow to the genitals. Your balls probably seem smaller because of the adderal. Adderal is a nasty vasoconstrictor. And wtf are you doing taking both adderal and alpha t2? **** man.. you probably haven't recovered libido yet because you CNS is shot.

    My advice? Stop taking the pharmaceuticals. I think the adderal and Clomid are the problem. Take your alpha t2 bulk maca powder and bulbine. Chill out on the stims and chill out in general. Your body will bounce back. You have beat the Hell out of yourself with supplements and drugs in this panic but the facts are your bloods are fine! You will feel right soon enough.
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    Word. Thanks a lot man. I'm in girl mode. I need to be told what to do haha. Ill stop everything but what you said
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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387
    Word. Thanks a lot man. I'm in girl mode. I need to be told what to do haha. Ill stop everything but what you said
    You'll be fine.

    Adderal is gnarly dude. I don't have enough space to write all the why's. Just get off of it and let your CNS rest.

    According to your bloodwork you test is fine. Clomid is unnecessary. That would be a major issue if it wasn't so you can rest assured its a libido issue which is easier to deal with.

    Icariin, yohimbine, maca. These are tried and true libido enhancers in the proper dosages.

    Check out inhibit-p by SNS. It has l-dopa vitex and p5p for prolactin control. It should help with desire issues as prolactin is the hormone at play there.

    Check out bulbine as well as that stuff made me crazy

    Maybe look into intimidate by iForce. Loggers reported insane libido. I haven't tried it though so I'm not speaking from experience.

    Relax. You will bounce back.
    Good luck man.
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    I'm gonna up my carbs and lower my fat and protein a bit. Especially breakfast and lunch. To help with energy levels and feeling well overall.
    Alpha T2 isn't CNS taxing is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan666 View Post
    You'll be fine.

    Adderal is gnarly dude. I don't have enough space to write all the why's. Just get off of it and let your CNS rest.

    According to your bloodwork you test is fine. Clomid is unnecessary. That would be a major issue if it wasn't so you can rest assured its a libido issue which is easier to deal with.

    Icariin, yohimbine, maca. These are tried and true libido enhancers in the proper dosages.

    Check out inhibit-p by SNS. It has l-dopa vitex and p5p for prolactin control. It should help with desire issues as prolactin is the hormone at play there.

    Check out bulbine as well as that stuff made me crazy

    Maybe look into intimidate by iForce. Loggers reported insane libido. I haven't tried it though so I'm not speaking from experience.

    Relax. You will bounce back.
    Good luck man.
    Would you mind PM'ing me the adderall side effects?
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    Alpha T2 doesn't do anything compared to adderal, but it does have an effect. It is technically a non stimulant so it's a minor effect.

    This is taken directly from drugs.com

    "headache, weakness, dizziness,blurred vision;feeling restless, irritable, or agitated,sleep problems (insomnia);dry*mouth*or an unpleasant taste in your mouth;diarrhea,*constipation, stomach pain, nausea, vomiting;fever;hair loss, loss of appetite,*weight loss; loss of interest in sex, impotence, or difficulty having an orgasm."

    That last part should get your attention.
  

  
 

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