help needed with progesterone/prolactin gyno onset
- 07-21-2012, 10:28 AM
help needed with progesterone/prolactin gyno onset
hey guys, i ran a 4 week andro mass/ drive stack with hcg for the last 9 days (3 shots at 500 uis) and im now getting gyno symptoms in my left nipple (sore, puffy ect)
i ran arimidex at 1mg eod throughout the cycle but i am stopping immediately due to sides.
so im looking for a way to treat the progesterone related gyno.
i have nolva/clomid on hand for pct along with some natty test boosters.
any help is much appreciated. i am regretting touching this ****!!
- 07-21-2012, 10:51 AM
- 07-21-2012, 11:27 AM
07-21-2012, 11:28 AM
07-21-2012, 12:03 PM
L-dopa, 1-carboxy, P5P, green tea extract....all help with prolactin and are natty not Rx....I get prolactin sides from taking DAA and intimidate, and use these...when I don't? I get the sides....as you noticed AI's won't do shyt for prolactin gyno....
07-21-2012, 01:20 PM
cheers for the reply's guys!
im going to start pct tomorrow and drop off early.
will go natural from now on. dont want to risk any leaky nips.
also about the resless leg. i wont get away with that in the uk (doctors are much more reluctant to prescribe due to tax payers paying the bill)
also my doctor is kind of a family friend so that is a no-no.
i can try get some cabaser but it would take 8 days to get posted. is it worth it?
or will stopping cycle and running pct (nolva/clomid with daa possibly depending on nipple response) cease the problem?
i dont have a lump. but intermittent pain and what looks like maybe a tiny hole in the middle of the nipple (though i may have always had that)
07-21-2012, 01:53 PM
07-21-2012, 02:13 PM
Yeah nothing he posted necessarily would cause an increase in prolactin ....but if the AI didn't work/didn't prevent the gyno....might be prolactin related.... Who knows...the natty prolactin inhibitors are very cheap....Originally Posted by RH2012
07-21-2012, 02:15 PM
The sides are why i recommend natty solutions as opposed to the drug.....only use the caber if absolutely necessary...or if you are using some heavy duty AAS that cause increases in prolactinOriginally Posted by RH2012
07-21-2012, 02:53 PM
07-23-2012, 04:10 AM
right guys, i need some more advice.
i have all the natty stuff on the way aswell as some letro and Cabergoline.
i have read too many stories about people in the uk being shunned by doctors when it comes to this issue so decided to do as much as i could while i can.
i will run endosurge - vitamin b6- vitamin e- sam e.
however i am in pct at the moment and i am unsure weather to run nolva/clomid or just run the natty test boosters?
what do you guys reckon?
- also should say i believe it is prolactin related (always had puffy nipples and assumed it was fat or loose skin that would tighten)
so the letro is only there so i have it if needed.
im thinking of going the natural route, then if that fails. cabergoline.
i dont have a lump under my left nipple (one under my right that i have always had)
but two days ago i had pain and burning sensations in it. so i am worried that real gyno may develop.
Last edited by gerrycat; 07-23-2012 at 04:22 AM. Reason: more info
07-23-2012, 01:34 PM
07-23-2012, 01:42 PM
cheers for the advice, already got vitex delivered today and had a high dose of that alone with green tea extract.
getting endosurge tomorrow and other natural prolactin supps.
noticing the sides are decreasing in severity, hopefully it will clear up soon.
also read that cannabis can decrease prolactin (believe it or not)
as for erase pro, i thought i had a bottle on hand but i cant find it however i do have a good amount of anabeta extreme (similar ai)
that i started today and think that is helping
im saving the nolva and clomid as you suggested. i also have daa on hand but ill keep that till i know prolactin wont be an issue.
hopefully i can try get rid of this puffy nipples business (at the very least stop the itching/burning/pain) though today that has been reduced.
07-23-2012, 01:51 PM
BTW: you mean anabeta or anabeta elite? that is not an AI or SERM....more of a nutrient partitioner, although natty said it does increase test to a certain degree. Either way I would not rely on anabeta for PCT, other than to help with the calories/carbs....
07-23-2012, 04:29 PM
i dont have that much cash to get erase pro, might throw in some low dose clomid as suggested then!
anabeta elite has the same ai as erase pro in it, at a lower dosage i think and without the natty serm herb.
so would you say endosurge, low dose clomid and anabeta should do it?
07-23-2012, 05:31 PM
I'd use a true AI and natty test booster personally....or low dose clomid if you must and don't want to make any new purchases.
07-23-2012, 09:51 PM
07-23-2012, 10:17 PM
07-23-2012, 10:27 PM
07-23-2012, 10:31 PM
07-24-2012, 04:19 AM
well let me list what i have
clomid, nolva, anabeta elite, arimidex (still not sure if 100% legit), letro and caber on the way. endosurge, vitamin b6, sam-e, vitamin e
im currently taking the anabeta elite, clomid, b6, endosurge, sam-e and vitamin e.
im currenly overdrawn so cant purchase anything for the next 4 days and then i must wait for postage.
what do you think?
07-24-2012, 07:35 AM
Wait your saying youve got gyno from andromass I've never heard that before is it version 3 I thought the dht in it would stop any gyno
07-24-2012, 07:53 AM
no estro gyno, just prolactin irritation i believe.
i also used hcg, which may be the culprit
also just found my erase pro. thank god. money saved.
07-25-2012, 04:26 AM
upon reading a thread entitled"progesterone and prolactin" by seth, it seems that vitex isnt good for pct.
he also suggests nolva for treating this issue and recommends avoiding caber.
anyone who can shed some light on the bus load of contradicting information would be my saviour.
not sure weather to add nolva into pct, and if i do weather to sub it for erase pro
07-28-2012, 05:25 AM
update for anyone interested
recieved my caber and letro.
i have been running as my pct - or should i say dcp - damage control protocol -
erase pro / endosurge / b6 at 2x300mg a day/ vit e at 2x 400 a day/ green tea
just thrown in caber last night before bed (as reccomended online) that was a bad idea. couldnt sleep for ****!
unfortunately had to take a xanax to get me to sleep after 4 hours lying wide awake - however that worked wonders.
my symptoms has been improving - already next to no lactation (even though i only had it when squeezed) and this was before the caber.
im considering lowering the dose of caber and taking .125mg 4 days from now.
then another dose (similar or maybe .25) 4 days after then stopping and addressing the situation
however, the b6, endosurge, vit e and same-e appeared to have done the trick !
ill keep you updated
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