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Does 'Epistane' convert to 'Phera'?

  1.  07-20-2012  03:09 AM
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    Does 'Epistane' convert to 'Phera'?


    I've written an article that may shed some light on the age-old debate of whether "epi" converts to some degree to "phera".

    Does 'Epistane' convert to 'Phera'? | Total Flex Blog

    Warning: contains science and long words.
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    henry the blue labeled unmethylated analogue EP in the diagram has a methyl on c5

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    Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    henry the blue labeled unmethylated analogue EP in the diagram has a methyl on c5
    It's just a poorly-labelled image. It's an H. It's epitiostanol.
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    i wonder if epi could be converted to phera with 35% h2o2.

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    I've got some Havoc from when that first came out... 2006ish?

    So I wonder how close that might be to Phera?

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    Supposedly it degrades into phera. Don't know how long it takes, what the conditions might have to be, etc..who knows really.
    Cutting all summer, cycle in September

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    I am on Epi right now, I am doing a log in this section if you want to look, what would be some differences in the two in regards to effects and side effects?

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    Originally Posted by BigGame84
    I've got some Havoc from when that first came out... 2006ish?

    So I wonder how close that might be to Phera?
    probably just trace amounts

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    Phera is a lot more "wetter" than Epi. I doesn't automatize but there is something estrogenic going on there. If you got Phera - you'd know it. This isn't to say Phera is bad, back when this rumor that "EPI has Phera" in it started circulating - some guys were extremely excited by that possibility.

    If I remember correctly - it may devolve into Phera when it's placed under heat - but I think it requires a lot of heat, maybe someone else would know.

    I'm on a three week Epi now and it's Epi - I'm dryer' than a popcorn fart!

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    Originally Posted by henryv

    It's just a poorly-labelled image. It's an H. It's epitiostanol.
    i see

    the trihydroxy metabolite of desoxymethyltestosterone was found through human hepatocytes

    the 2009 study found it in the urine of the volunteer

    i don't see this metabolite found in the Japanese rat study using the unmethylated epi through the chart... was it found in the actual study?

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    Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    i see

    the trihydroxy metabolite of desoxymethyltestosterone was found through human hepatocytes

    the 2009 study found it in the urine of the volunteer

    i don't see this metabolite found in the Japanese rat study using the unmethylated epi through the chart... was it found in the actual study?
    This isn't a Q&A.
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    ghey

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    Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    ghey
    wtf happened to your chest, you look stuiped dumb big. u need to be smashing through a wall some where dude not sitting on the interweb
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    Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    wtf happened to your chest, you look stuiped dumb big. u need to be smashing through a wall some where dude not sitting on the interweb
    he's been drinking chocolate milk.

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    lol

    it's the steroids bro, not gonna lie

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    Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    lol

    it's the steroids bro, not gonna lie
    i like your style. u most def put in some work. congrats
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