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    RPN Havoc is NOT working for me


    Ok so I ran a 5 week rpn havoc cycle dosed at 30 mg ed. I barely got anything from it. I gained a couple pounds and my lifts went up a couple pounds but I could have done that naturally. So after my pct I started another cycle. This one for 6 weeks dosed at 40 mg ed hoping for better results. Im currently almost half way done with that cycle. I'm shutdown and Im having horrible back pumps, and on top of that it seems like im losing muscle almost overnight. Everyday I look smaller and my lifts are going down. I did gain a good 6 pounds but Im pretty sure it was all fat because im bulking about 1,000 calories above maitnence. I took havoc and I was willing to put up with the sides (shutdown etc) because I thought I was going to gain muscle, so far all it has done for me is bad. Why do you think this compound is working so poorly for me?

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    you ran it again right after pct?
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    If your losing weight extremely fast that could be a sign of liver problems. Who would you run two cycles in a row like that? You're eating 1000 calories of maintenance and you only gained 6 pounds while at the same time on Havoc?. Something is either seriously wrong with you medically or your diet is terrible and you sure as hell aren't eating 1000 calories of maintenance.
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    Could I be a non or very weak responder?
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    There's a strong chance you can be a dumbass running a cycle right after pct.
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    What part of time on = time off don't you guys understand? Yes there are non responders to epi but there is a good chance that your results are hindered from back to back cycles. On a side note, i wouldn't waste a perfectly good bulking cycle on a ph like epi. It's normally used for cutting
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    Guys, I am running Havoc too at 20/40/40/40/40 and am currently approaching the end of my third week. Have been training consistently for 4 years and diet+training+cycle support is there.

    I've been patient with it but I am beginning to worry because it doesn't appear to have kicked in. I know that some people say that they don't necessarily have an 'on' feeling whilst on cycle but I haven't seen any significant strength gains either as of yet. From what I've read Havoc kicks in for most people between the 2nd and 3rd week so I'm not sure what's going on. Is there any scientific proof to the 'non-responder' theory? I've also been using Nizoral twice a week since beginning a cycle- I know it's a topical solution but is there any way this could be interfering with the effectiveness of the Havoc? I'm at that stage now where I'm getting a bit paranoid and starting to think that any number of variables could be effecting the cycle negatively.

    Thanks for reading and I would appreciate any replies.
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    How old is the havoc , and how was it stored?
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    I purchased two bottles last month from a reputable site. I've kept them in my room (I live in the UK the temperature hasn't gone much above 20 degrees recently).
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    looks like its bunk.
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    Does fake Havoc actually exist? It has that strong sulphuric smell that's supposedly the real deal.

    Plus the website is a pretty well known company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diabo91 View Post
    Does fake Havoc actually exist? It has that strong sulphuric smell that's supposedly the real deal.

    Plus the website is a pretty well known company.
    alot of companies are changing their formulas all the time. but if its not working, its either the product or the user? I think people expect to look like the guy on the bottle after one cycle, truth is you will never get that from PH's
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    Agreed, I'm not expecting anything radical but it is a compound that is supposed to bring fair strength gains, if nothing else. I haven't noticed much difference in my lifts and hence the concern. I might try bumping up to 50mg next week.
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    For everyone saying it's bunk, you could be right. The second time i didnt actually get havoc I got iron labs epi extreme which is SUPPOSED to be the same exact thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidcudi
    For everyone saying it's bunk, you could be right. The second time i didnt actually get havoc I got iron labs epi extreme which is SUPPOSED to be the same exact thing.
    but you're shutdown...

    I don't see how it can be bunk and you're shutdown
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    but you're shutdown...

    I don't see how it can be bunk and you're shutdown

    Check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone
    I'm confused...
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    I'm confused...

    Its all the threads he started. So based on all that I would say its not the HAVOC. Its the user.
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    obviously you don't know enough to be running any steroids in the first place - do more research, PCT properly and take some serious time off before considering another cycle.
  

  
 

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