Opinions on CEL P-Plex and Iron Labs Epi Xtreme stacking
- 05-25-2012, 02:24 PM
- 05-25-2012, 02:38 PM
I'd do a bridge since phera is pretty harsh, I think u should definitely get your bf down though.
- 05-25-2012, 02:49 PM
Thanks, but every time I try to lose weight muscle and strength goes with it. It's like my chemistry functions best when I'm built like Tank Abbott lol
05-25-2012, 03:09 PM
05-25-2012, 04:02 PM
What are you thinking at dosing the phera at?
05-25-2012, 06:37 PM
Exactly.Originally Posted by StangBanger
05-26-2012, 09:52 AM
05-26-2012, 10:03 AM
No only epistane, I've never been interested in phera nor would bother looking for it since its banned. I'd do a bridge though of the 2, whatever effective dose of the phera u prefer, with 4 weeks of epi at 40/40/50/50 with phera overlapping 2 weeks.Originally Posted by Vick
05-26-2012, 10:42 AM
05-26-2012, 11:05 AM
No problem bro. U gonna log it?Originally Posted by Vick
05-26-2012, 11:14 AM
05-26-2012, 11:23 AM
Even updates r fine like weight gains, PRs, bodyfat changes, that's all I'm really interested in.Originally Posted by Vick
05-26-2012, 12:12 PM
05-26-2012, 12:13 PM
Alright sounds good yo.Originally Posted by Vick
05-26-2012, 02:28 PM
Both those products are oral steroidsOriginally Posted by Vick
05-26-2012, 02:31 PM
Because its a dumb combo.Originally Posted by Vick
Some epi will metabolize into phera in the body.
But if I did it, 20- 30mg pp, 30-40mg of epi.
05-26-2012, 02:33 PM
Phera is bad ass, if op really wants strength gains, he should stack 20mg sd, with 30mg pp.Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed
BOOM! Catch a case of SWOLEOSIS
05-26-2012, 06:03 PM
You're right when heat is involved which of course it would b, epi turns into DMT. Lol don't leave that sh*t in a hot car.Originally Posted by jbryand101b
05-26-2012, 06:04 PM
Hellz yeah some Test prop, get focking beefy!Originally Posted by jbryand101b
05-26-2012, 09:12 PM
5/26 My Helios came in so started that at only 25 units and got the shakes. I wonder how that is going to play into the Phera/Havoc bridge. Starting at 209 lbs, 20% bf, deadlift 495 1rm.
5/27 Took the Helios around 6pm and kept me up til 4am, never again. Started first thing in the morning at 50 units.
5/28 Wasn't feeling the 50 units for some reason so bumped it to 100 units and still not really feeling it. Weird thing is when I lay down and relax is when it starts working lol.
5/29 Keeping the Helios at 100 units, really felt it today, not sure how evenly it's dosed in the vial with the yohimbine. I also started 30mg Phera preworkout and 90 minutes went by like nothing. Time flies when you're having fun. I found out about the class 1 and 2 PHs when stacking on my own and apparently EPI is best with M1T and Phera best with Sdrol, so I'm gonna order 2 more lol.
Last edited by Vick; 05-30-2012 at 09:15 AM. Reason: LOG
05-30-2012, 08:54 PM
Today I opened the caps and upped the dose to 40mg of Phera and keeping the Helios at 1ml and feeling great.
05-30-2012, 08:56 PM
So you're just running the phera, no epi?Originally Posted by Vick
05-30-2012, 08:59 PM
Bummer. I was hoping to hear an EPI/Phera log. Could be a future cycle of mine.
05-30-2012, 09:05 PM
Yeah I wanted to see that log too. Well maybe he'll throw in SD now.Originally Posted by ejschmidt
05-30-2012, 09:10 PM
Jbry keeps on posting about phera/sd. Is he for serious? I mean, I understand the complications of two methylated compounds (even though epi-phera would be similar, though less sides with epi) but that could be some serious muscle.
Has anybody run Phera/Sd? Logs of it?
05-30-2012, 09:21 PM
Jbry has if I recall.Originally Posted by ejschmidt
05-31-2012, 09:20 AM
05-31-2012, 09:30 AM
epi/phera... doesnt make sense... read up more on the compounds... pretty sure jbry would agree it is not a good combo.
Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html
05-31-2012, 09:46 AM
Yeah I agree and jbry already said that cuz some of epi does metabolize into phera already.Originally Posted by StangBanger
05-31-2012, 09:47 AM
What is Methyl D?Originally Posted by Vick
05-31-2012, 10:11 AM
05-31-2012, 10:21 AM
I do I'm just saying that I'd like Phera/SD even more. What r u running with Mdien?Originally Posted by Vick
05-31-2012, 11:06 AM
05-31-2012, 11:31 AM
So I assume this is a bulk right?Originally Posted by Vick
05-31-2012, 12:28 PM
05-31-2012, 01:04 PM
i wouldn't stack any methyl compounds with methyl dienolone, maybe a low dose of epi, like 20mg e/d for the 4 weeks of mdiene, then 2 weeks of epi solo at 40mg.
def wouldn't stack sd and mdiene together. I have some of each, and wont do it.
my next cycle is going to be 3 weeks of m1t (15mg), then 3 weeks of mdiene(14mg), followed up with 4 weeks of stanodrol (900mg).
4-andro-diol & bold 200 ran during the first 6 weeks at 600mg each.
test base, bulkers, hardners.
05-31-2012, 01:45 PM
05-31-2012, 02:37 PM
I see, damn stacking those 2 will b really harsh though, i'd take Jbry advice I can't comment on the toxicity of mdien, he knows a lot about it.Originally Posted by Vick
05-31-2012, 04:29 PM
methyl dieneolone is methyl trienolone's little brother.
mdiene isn't as toxic as methyl tren (thank goodness) but it def isn't recomended to stack with another (methylated) compound.
hell, im worried about running it AFTER a low dose of m1t.
05-31-2012, 04:47 PM
Personally I think the toxicity is way overrated because of the bad press. You get these dumb drunks taking it to look good at the bar and yeah you're gonna have liver problems. Back in the 90s I was taking cheque drops or halotestin with Anadrol before the gym and that was on 1g of test/wk. I've never gone over 6 weeks on 17aas though and would switch to Proviron and Primo tabs to dry out. This is my first round with stack PHs so if my eyes turn yellow I'll be the first to admit it and if they don't and my labs say my liver isnt shutting down then I'll log that too. Right now I'm basing my stacks on this info:
Class I = binds to androgen receptor
Class II = does not
These pro-hormone classifications are based on their steroid counterparts. If there are any revisions needed PLEASE post so below. If that goes unnoticed, PM me.
Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol) based phs - Pheraplex & clones
Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based - Epistane & Clones (like Havoc & so on so forth)
Dienolone based - (again similar to tren) - Mdien
Progestin based - (similar to trenbolone) - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
Boldenone based - 1,4AD & Bold
DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) based phs - M5AA
Dianabol (methandrostenolone) based - M1,4ADD, M1T, 1-T, Methyl XT
Masteron (Dromostanolone) based - Superdrol & Clones
Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosteron e) based - Halodrol & Clones
Winstrol (stanozolol) based - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
Furazabol (miotolan) based - Furazadrol etc
Progesterone based - Revolt, Propadrol, Max LMG
Clostebol based - Chlorodrol, Oxyguno
Testosterone - 4-AD
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