Test E, Tren E, Winny Cycle layout. Help? Critique?

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Hello Everyone! Critique on your experience on this cycle or something similar would help me lots! and thanks in advance.

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This will be my second cycle. First cycle was Test p, Tren A, and EQ 2 - 1.5ml shot 1x a week.
Went from 32% BF to 20% and 242 lb to 220 lb on that low dose cycle.
I still want to lean down as my primary goal.
28yo, training since 16 in sports, Marines, MMA, and so on... I just have a hard time keeping on mass while I tend to gain BF fast if I do not keep up with a constant diet. ANY and every bit of info is appreciated! THANK YOU.

Next Cycle plan:
Week 1-10: Test E 250 (Every Mon and Thur for 500mg a week)
Week 2-7: Tren E 100 every Thur only!
Week 8-9: Tren E 100 every Mon and Thur for 200mg a week
Week 6-10: Winny 100 Every every Mon and Thur.

Assist: (QUESTIONS????)
Thinking of HCG 2X a week @ week 3-11 for 250ui's every Sun and Wed.
Arimidex .5mg ed or eod? week 1-10?
Should I "bridge" Proviron Week 10 - 13 before PCT? or just save for PCT?

PCT:
Week 13-16 Nolva @ 40/40/20/20 ed
week 13-16 Proviron @ 25/25/25/25 ed (answer from above please)

PLEASE HELP with any experience on this... I do NOT have any of this stuff yet! Asking before I make it final on what I will do exactly or if I make changes to my plan. THANKS! (YES I plan to compete soon) thats why I chose winny...
 
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I'd extend the test to 12 weeks and run the tren at 300mg/week from weeks 1-10 and winny weeks 9-14 at 300mg/week. Then start pct week 15 with clomid at 100/100/50/50. Nolva and 19nors don't agree, it'll screw with prolactin and upregulates the progesterone receptor. U should have adex and caber on hand just in case of sides occuring.
 
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Don't use proviron in pct u can use it on cycle, i'd go with 50mg ED if u do use it.
 
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32% to 20% bro you should of dropped the fat naturally it's much to high to be cycling
 
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I'd extend the test to 12 weeks and run the tren at 300mg/week from weeks 1-10 and winny weeks 9-14 at 300mg/week. Then start pct week 15 with clomid at 100/100/50/50. Nolva and 19nors don't agree, it'll screw with prolactin and upregulates the progesterone receptor. U should have adex and caber on hand just in case of sides occuring.
^^ def listen to the clomid suggestion and throw in erase pro and daa.
 
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I'd extend the test to 12 weeks and run the tren at 300mg/week from weeks 1-10 and winny weeks 9-14 at 300mg/week. Then start pct week 15 with clomid at 100/100/50/50. Nolva and 19nors don't agree, it'll screw with prolactin and upregulates the progesterone receptor. U should have adex and caber on hand just in case of sides occuring.
THANK YOU Dr.Stri8ed,

This is the kind of info I needed... Short, sweet and to the point! I will def use it as you have it structured out!
I only have about 2 weeks of Proviron... Should I use it first 1-2 weeks or the last two weeks of 10-12 test?
I will order Clomid instead of Nolva and Arimidex will have on hand in case I need it while running cycle. correct?

Thyrod: I think you are right, although I cant change the past. But Im glad taking advice from you guys! :)
 
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Thanks for the reply btw you guys!

one more Q? Should I get on HCG as I described? or it wont be necessary?

Thanks!
 
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Thanks for the reply btw you guys!

one more Q? Should I get on HCG as I described? or it wont be necessary?

Thanks!
Yes get it and run it from weeks 3-12, 250ius 2x a week E3D.
 

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everything you need to know is in this post. Great Post
I'd extend the test to 12 weeks and run the tren at 300mg/week from weeks 1-10 and winny weeks 9-14 at 300mg/week. Then start pct week 15 with clomid at 100/100/50/50. Nolva and 19nors don't agree, it'll screw with prolactin and upregulates the progesterone receptor. U should have adex and caber on hand just in case of sides occuring.
 
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Thank you everyone for all the advice! Much appreciated.... Hope this helps someone else as well along the way!
 

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yeah this has defo helped me in making some cycling decisions
 
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hey, im looking to start a test only cycle..500mgs a week for 12 weeks

my questions are what should my post cycle be? is nolvadex sufficient?

And what about AI's for during my cycle is it a must incase of gyno?
 
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hey, im looking to start a test only cycle..500mgs a week for 12 weeks

my questions are what should my post cycle be? is nolvadex sufficient?

And what about AI's for during my cycle is it a must incase of gyno?
First, don't hijack the thread
Second, do some reading these boards have all the info u need to know.. Such as a POST CYCLE THERAPY section
 
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First and foremost, I too would certainly recommend dropping the weight before starting the cycle...you don't need those compounds to lose weight. Also, and this is completely said as a "be safe" precaution, with a higher BF% comes a much higher risk of a raised blood pressure on-cycle, which could incur heart problems down the road for you (as a matter of fact, I think that's the biggest reason why people should only cycle at lower bf%... < 13-15%).

If you decide to cycle before dropping the weight, Stri8ed has good suggestions above. Just for reference on future cycles, for AAS I would always want to find a number you grow at and then keep that number throughout the cycle. This whole concept of ramping test and tren at the end of a cycle just doesn't sit well with me: if you've been growing on 500mg of Test-E for 10 weeks, don't worry, you'll keep growing for those last 2 without bumping the dosage lol.
 
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First, don't hijack the thread
Second, do some reading these boards have all the info u need to know.. Such as a POST CYCLE THERAPY section
Alright my bad on that, I have my post planned out, i just have questions on if running an AI is a must?
 
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alright i just made a thread a couple hours ago
 

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