trenazone/havoc cycle

[bigred6347]

never ran either of these before but have run two other cycles of the illicit stuff. im 5' 11" 205lbs and ~14% bf. goal is to bulk cleanly. not looking to cut, just purely bulk but in as clean a way as possible without too much water weight.

trenazone 1/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5

havoc 30/40/40/40/40/40


pct will be clomid. i also have some AX and triazole but am unsure as to how to incorporate them into my pct. cycle support, a pwo, bcaa, and vitamin are my only other supps besides protein. any suggestions on the pct? never used clomid, only nolva but from my research clomid seems to be the better choice with these two compounds.

anyone run this cycle, how were your results?

[Renagade860]

Bump

[BigBicepBill]

I'm running havoc/epi with a tren clone and its making my muscles a lot harder and tighter...especially after a lift. just run the havoc at 40 mg all the way through. go bold with it. start it day one at 10mg, day two 20 mg, day three 30 mg, and then 40mg the rest of the cycle. i haven't tried the other product though. and as far as your PCT...as long as you have a SERM (which you have) + TB + AI and PCT then your golden! good luck!

[BigBicepBill]

im guessing trenazone is a tren clone?

[bigred6347]

trenazone is a trans dienolone product. how have your weight gains been? and is your tren clone the same type of product, trans dienolone?

[BigBicepBill]

well so far in about a week I've gained 8 lbs and like i said my muscles more tight and harder. and from its chemical structure it seems like a tren clone because its converts to tren. but run the havoc at 40. i haven't experienced any negative sides

[bigred6347]

good stuff. cant wait to get started in about a week or 10 days. ill post back here with the progress since it seems like not alot of guys are running this.

[SellMeSanity]

I'm running havoc/epi with a tren clone and its making my muscles a lot harder and tighter...especially after a lift. just run the havoc at 40 mg all the way through. go bold with it. start it day one at 10mg, day two 20 mg, day three 30 mg, and then 40mg the rest of the cycle. i haven't tried the other product though. and as far as your PCT...as long as you have a SERM (which you have) + TB + AI and PCT then your golden! good luck!

What products are you using for your PCT? Just curious.

[BigBicepBill]

What products are you using for your PCT? Just curious.

nolva for my serm, pct, erase and anabeta elite

[SellMeSanity]

nolva for my serm, pct, erase and anabeta elite

What made you pick nolva over clomid because of the tren?

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Nolva is a no no for a 19nor cycle.

[BigBicepBill]

Nolva is a no no for a 19nor cycle.

what makes you say that?

[Dr.Stri8ed]

what makes you say that?

Research nolva and 19nors, you'll see what I mean.

[bigred6347]

i have a bit before i start this cycle and was wondering.... adding in some dermacrine to the stack as a pseudo test base weeks 1-8?

[bigred6347]

cycle started today. 1.5ml trenazone in the am along with 20mg epi, and another 20mg epi pre workout. 1.5ml of trenazone is alot more oily stuff that i thought it was going to be. i applied it to the clavicle and rubbed it in/spread it with my forearm. is it better to dose the trenazone twice a day or is once fine?

[Dr.Stri8ed]

cycle started today. 1.5ml trenazone in the am along with 20mg epi, and another 20mg epi pre workout. 1.5ml of trenazone is alot more oily stuff that i thought it was going to be. i applied it to the clavicle and rubbed it in/spread it with my forearm. is it better to dose the trenazone twice a day or is once fine?

What's the half life?

[bigred6347]

What's the half life?

havent been able to find the exact half life of trenazone but it seems to be reasonably long so once a day dosing isnt a problem. im just wondering if twice a day dosing would be more efficient with less waste of the solution.

[Dr.Stri8ed]

havent been able to find the exact half life of trenazone but it seems to be reasonably long so once a day dosing isnt a problem. im just wondering if twice a day dosing would be more efficient with less waste of the solution.

U could do twice a day, I would.

[bigred6347]

well 5 days in and i dont know if its mental or if the epi is kicking in but what use to be my 1rm on deads i pulled 4 times today. id say its more than mental though. haven't weighed myself yet since the start but will tomorrow. had crazy pumps throughout my gym time and for some time after. good back/bi's day

[Dr.Stri8ed]

well 5 days in and i dont know if its mental or if the epi is kicking in but what use to be my 1rm on deads i pulled 4 times today. id say its more than mental though. haven't weighed myself yet since the start but will tomorrow. had crazy pumps throughout my gym time and for some time after. good back/bi's day

No i'd say the epi has kicked in already, I feel it week 1.