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    trenazone/havoc cycle


    never ran either of these before but have run two other cycles of the illicit stuff. im 5' 11" 205lbs and ~14% bf. goal is to bulk cleanly. not looking to cut, just purely bulk but in as clean a way as possible without too much water weight.

    trenazone 1/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5

    havoc 30/40/40/40/40/40


    pct will be clomid. i also have some AX and triazole but am unsure as to how to incorporate them into my pct. cycle support, a pwo, bcaa, and vitamin are my only other supps besides protein. any suggestions on the pct? never used clomid, only nolva but from my research clomid seems to be the better choice with these two compounds.

    anyone run this cycle, how were your results?

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    I'm running havoc/epi with a tren clone and its making my muscles a lot harder and tighter...especially after a lift. just run the havoc at 40 mg all the way through. go bold with it. start it day one at 10mg, day two 20 mg, day three 30 mg, and then 40mg the rest of the cycle. i haven't tried the other product though. and as far as your PCT...as long as you have a SERM (which you have) + TB + AI and PCT then your golden! good luck!
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    im guessing trenazone is a tren clone?
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    trenazone is a trans dienolone product. how have your weight gains been? and is your tren clone the same type of product, trans dienolone?
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    well so far in about a week I've gained 8 lbs and like i said my muscles more tight and harder. and from its chemical structure it seems like a tren clone because its converts to tren. but run the havoc at 40. i haven't experienced any negative sides
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    good stuff. cant wait to get started in about a week or 10 days. ill post back here with the progress since it seems like not alot of guys are running this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBicepBill View Post
    I'm running havoc/epi with a tren clone and its making my muscles a lot harder and tighter...especially after a lift. just run the havoc at 40 mg all the way through. go bold with it. start it day one at 10mg, day two 20 mg, day three 30 mg, and then 40mg the rest of the cycle. i haven't tried the other product though. and as far as your PCT...as long as you have a SERM (which you have) + TB + AI and PCT then your golden! good luck!
    What products are you using for your PCT? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SellMeSanity View Post
    What products are you using for your PCT? Just curious.
    nolva for my serm, pct, erase and anabeta elite
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBicepBill View Post
    nolva for my serm, pct, erase and anabeta elite
    What made you pick nolva over clomid because of the tren?
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    Nolva is a no no for a 19nor cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Nolva is a no no for a 19nor cycle.
    what makes you say that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBicepBill
    what makes you say that?
    Research nolva and 19nors, you'll see what I mean.
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    i have a bit before i start this cycle and was wondering.... adding in some dermacrine to the stack as a pseudo test base weeks 1-8?
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    cycle started today. 1.5ml trenazone in the am along with 20mg epi, and another 20mg epi pre workout. 1.5ml of trenazone is alot more oily stuff that i thought it was going to be. i applied it to the clavicle and rubbed it in/spread it with my forearm. is it better to dose the trenazone twice a day or is once fine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347
    cycle started today. 1.5ml trenazone in the am along with 20mg epi, and another 20mg epi pre workout. 1.5ml of trenazone is alot more oily stuff that i thought it was going to be. i applied it to the clavicle and rubbed it in/spread it with my forearm. is it better to dose the trenazone twice a day or is once fine?
    What's the half life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    What's the half life?
    havent been able to find the exact half life of trenazone but it seems to be reasonably long so once a day dosing isnt a problem. im just wondering if twice a day dosing would be more efficient with less waste of the solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347

    havent been able to find the exact half life of trenazone but it seems to be reasonably long so once a day dosing isnt a problem. im just wondering if twice a day dosing would be more efficient with less waste of the solution.
    U could do twice a day, I would.
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    well 5 days in and i dont know if its mental or if the epi is kicking in but what use to be my 1rm on deads i pulled 4 times today. id say its more than mental though. haven't weighed myself yet since the start but will tomorrow. had crazy pumps throughout my gym time and for some time after. good back/bi's day
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347
    well 5 days in and i dont know if its mental or if the epi is kicking in but what use to be my 1rm on deads i pulled 4 times today. id say its more than mental though. haven't weighed myself yet since the start but will tomorrow. had crazy pumps throughout my gym time and for some time after. good back/bi's day
    No i'd say the epi has kicked in already, I feel it week 1.
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    ive heard of sdrol making people feel hypo type symptoms but now im kind of wondering if this stack can induce the same. i felt it day three a bit but now im convinced im going to have to eat like a horse, especially up the carbs, with this stack. was having that tired/weak feeling but without actually being weak because my gym sessions have been awesome. upped my carbs and feeling much better especially eating some additional ones pre and post workout.

    anyone else get the hypo feeling on epi or trenazone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347
    ive heard of sdrol making people feel hypo type symptoms but now im kind of wondering if this stack can induce the same. i felt it day three a bit but now im convinced im going to have to eat like a horse, especially up the carbs, with this stack. was having that tired/weak feeling but without actually being weak because my gym sessions have been awesome. upped my carbs and feeling much better especially eating some additional ones pre and post workout.

    anyone else get the hypo feeling on epi or trenazone?
    Yeah you'll definitely get that feeling when you're not consuming enough carbs on SD, trenazone having similarities to trenbolone can do the same thing also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Yeah you'll definitely get that feeling when you're not consuming enough carbs on SD, trenazone having similarities to trenbolone can do the same thing also.
    thx. i wouldnt think the trenazone would be kicking in this early but i guess its kind of a good sign lol. im thinking this cycle is really going to end up being a monster strength cycle with some decent size and minor recomp effect the way im running my diet. im not looking to recomp as im eating 500 above maint but i wouldnt mind it. really looking forward to the strength increase as it will help make work life easier as well. besides the minor hypo sides that seem to be under wraps im enjoying this so far even though its quite early in the cycle. if 4ad were still legal life would be REALLY good haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347

    thx. i wouldnt think the trenazone would be kicking in this early but i guess its kind of a good sign lol. im thinking this cycle is really going to end up being a monster strength cycle with some decent size and minor recomp effect the way im running my diet. im not looking to recomp as im eating 500 above maint but i wouldnt mind it. really looking forward to the strength increase as it will help make work life easier as well. besides the minor hypo sides that seem to be under wraps im enjoying this so far even though its quite early in the cycle. if 4ad were still legal life would be REALLY good haha
    Yeah I'm sure the epi and trenazone will keep u lean, I wouldn't worry about fat gain while using those 2 and you're only 500 oer maintenance.
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    think i should bump the cals up a bit more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347
    think i should bump the cals up a bit more?
    I would see how lean u stay first, or if u get leaner.
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    sounds good. cardio hasnt suffered either. 5-8 miles runs are going just like before cycle, though the back gets a bit of a pump i just have to not be a bitch about it and keep going. stationary bike is going like before cycle as well. we will see this week how rucking goes, that one might suck with back pumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347
    sounds good. cardio hasnt suffered either. 5-8 miles runs are going just like before cycle, though the back gets a bit of a pump i just have to not be a bitch about it and keep going. stationary bike is going like before cycle as well. we will see this week how rucking goes, that one might suck with back pumps.
    What's rucking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    What's rucking?
    grab a rucksack (big back pack type thing with an external fram), load it with 55-75+ lbs, wear a bunch of other gear, grab your weapon, and start walking lol. 4mph minimum speed, generally closer to 5mph. and distances of anywhere between 6 and 30 miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347

    grab a rucksack (big back pack type thing with an external fram), load it with 55-75+ lbs, wear a bunch of other gear, grab your weapon, and start walking lol. 4mph minimum speed, generally closer to 5mph. and distances of anywhere between 6 and 30 miles.
    Ahhhh yes I know what you're talking about now. Yeah that would suck ass with back pumps.
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    any sides from the tren? I'm currently getting ready for week 3 of hella/tren/stano, hella@ 100mg tomorrow, started having hair loss badly dropped the stano and tren... reduced the hair loss like crazy, now im adding back tren @ 1.5 and so far ok, thinking the DHT from stano was affecting me badly, now just minor shedding but if it gets worse again im going to have to keep tren out =[ Just curious if you having any other sides.
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    Damn sorry to hear about the sheedding bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Damn sorry to hear about the sheedding bro.
    I know, it sucked and freaked me out. I've done SD cycles even @ 30, no shedding. But this cycle bam. You thinking its stano (mainly?) I have caber on hand if I keep the tren back on.
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    Yeah it was definitely the Stano.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Yeah it was definitely the Stano.
    Good!! Now i'm less afraid to add the tren back in lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SellMeSanity
    Good!! Now i'm less afraid to add the tren back in lol.
    Yeah I think u should b ok.
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    no sides from either so far, just the hypo type feeling i mentioned earlier that was cured with an increase in carbs spread throughout the day but focusing on pre/post workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347
    no sides from either so far, just the hypo type feeling i mentioned earlier that was cured with an increase in carbs spread throughout the day but focusing on pre/post workout.
    That's how I increase my carbs too, I find it more efficient for gaining mass but still staying lean.
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    weighed myself today, up 4 lbs. stregnth is increasing, hypo sides have been solved, good stuff so far. back pumps are starting to kick in but nothing too bad so far. pumps overall in the gym are those awesome on cycle ones that everyone loves. feelin good
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred6347
    weighed myself today, up 4 lbs. stregnth is increasing, hypo sides have been solved, good stuff so far. back pumps are starting to kick in but nothing too bad so far. pumps overall in the gym are those awesome on cycle ones that everyone loves. feelin good
    Sweet. What day is it?
  

  
 

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