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    Whats harsher on the liver?


    Which of these cycles is harsher on the liver and harsher in general?

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    sd: 10/10/10/00/00/00/00
    epi: 45/45/45/65/85/100/115

    2.
    dzine: 45/45/45/45/45/45/45


    I have run the first before and will have bloods soon. im contemplating running the second this summer

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    I would run none of the above both seem to be for someone who hates their liver. It seems to be akin to would you rather get shot in the chest or stabbed in the chest.
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    Lol @ both those cycles.
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    ive run the first of those cycles. im in day 10 of pct, feel awesome, yes ill get bloods after pct. I have a log of it in the log section lol im just trying to see that if i can take the first cycle would the dzine one be less harsh
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    ironically i didnt get bad back pumps at all on it. much less mild than i did on hdrol
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    Both cycles are stupid IMO...especially at your weight

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Both cycles are stupid IMO...especially at your weight

    since weight has so much do to with it right boss.

    i ran epi that high because it didnt do anything at lower doses, i did not wanna be stuck with left over bottles of a useless compound so i upped the dose until i felt i found a sweet spot. then i upped it some more to see what it could do
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    people on this site seem to be really against stacking two methyls, or aggressively dosed cycles.

    people on phf seem to be perfectly ok with the idea, in fact this would be mild compared with some of the stuff i see on there.

    both of these sites are aimed at fairly similar things, why such opposite opinions?
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    well, both sites are filled with people who are idiots and dont know much about steroids.


    stacking two methyls isn't a problem if the person knows what they are doing.

    but i dont see a reason to stack epistane with superdrol
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    I can care less if you want to stack 2 methyls. I have no issues with that. I just would not personally want to run epi a dry compound on top of SD another really dry compound. Then to run epi for so long and such a high dose at the end having already run SD. It all seems too excessive for me and unnessasary not to mention make my joints ache like an 80 year old decrepit sailor who can tell when a storm is coming by the aches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darsh89 View Post
    people on this site seem to be really against stacking two methyls, or aggressively dosed cycles.

    people on phf seem to be perfectly ok with the idea, in fact this would be mild compared with some of the stuff i see on there.

    both of these sites are aimed at fairly similar things, why such opposite opinions?
    we have a lot of members on here who have vagina's? just a guess......
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    You couldn't pay me to run either of those cycles.
    lucky for you nobody in interested in paying you to run either
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    lucky for you nobody in interested in paying you to run either
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    well, both sites are filled with people who are idiots and dont know much about steroids.


    stacking two methyls isn't a problem if the person knows what they are doing.

    but i dont see a reason to stack epistane with superdrol
    my theory was it would kinda kickstart the gains while the epi kicked in.

    my main point of this thread was to find out if the epi/sd stack that i have already ran would likely be harsher than the planned upcoming dzine stack

    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    I can care less if you want to stack 2 methyls. I have no issues with that. I just would not personally want to run epi a dry compound on top of SD another really dry compound. Then to run epi for so long and such a high dose at the end having already run SD. It all seems too excessive for me and unnessasary not to mention make my joints ache like an 80 year old decrepit sailor who can tell when a storm is coming by the aches.
    oddly enough my joints felt fantastic. i do admit that it was a ridiculously high dose of epi and im not recommending others to try it
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    you could do something like run the SD at low doses on WO days only for a portion of the cycle, and run the epi high dosage (which I suggest personally, but see if moderate doses work for you first before bumping it up)....still not a great idea, but would be a bit more liver friendly....OK that still sounds stupid saying "liver friendly" with these two compounds but honestly there are WAY too many non-methyls to stack with a methyl nowadays to risk harm running two of them concurrently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darsh89

    my theory was it would kinda kickstart the gains while the epi kicked in.

    my main point of this thread was to find out if the epi/sd stack that i have already ran would likely be harsher than the planned upcoming dzine stack

    oddly enough my joints felt fantastic. i do admit that it was a ridiculously high dose of epi and im not recommending others to try it
    Epi by itself at 30-40 make my joints ache
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    you could do something like run the SD at low doses on WO days only for a portion of the cycle, and run the epi high dosage (which I suggest personally, but see if moderate doses work for you first before bumping it up)....still not a great idea, but would be a bit more liver friendly....OK that still sounds stupid saying "liver friendly" with these two compounds but honestly there are WAY too many non-methyls to stack with a methyl nowadays to risk harm running two of them concurrently.
    I have already ran the epi/sd cycle. I have a log of it: SD/Bold/Epi/Androhard

    Im on day 10 of pct, i feel awesome, ill get bloods post pct

    I was trying to see if the sd/epi (which included bold and androhard as well) cycle would theoretically be harsher than the proposed dzine cycle i listed. If so than it makes me feel better about runnign the dzine cycle since i would theoretically have already ran a harsher cycle

    edit: note that the dzine cycle would look like this:

    dzine: 45/45/45/45/45/45/45 (or 45/45/45/60/60/60)
    andromass: 6/6/6/6/6/6/12
    stano: 900 throughout
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    Quote Originally Posted by darsh89 View Post
    I have already ran the epi/sd cycle. I have a log of it: SD/Bold/Epi/Androhard

    Im on day 10 of pct, i feel awesome, ill get bloods post pct

    I was trying to see if the sd/epi (which included bold and androhard as well) cycle would theoretically be harsher than the proposed dzine cycle i listed. If so than it makes me feel better about runnign the dzine cycle since i would theoretically have already ran a harsher cycle

    edit: note that the dzine cycle would look like this:

    dzine: 45/45/45/45/45/45/45 (or 45/45/45/60/60/60)
    andromass: 6/6/6/6/6/6/12
    stano: 900 throughout
    yeah #2 looks less harsh to me....but maybe not?....I was thinking of doing beastdrol with ABv3 full dose, also beastdrol with deca-durabolin 400mg and AMv2 full dose.....so I had some similar ideas of running a methyl with an androseries product and maybe with something else not so liver toxic.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    yeah #2 looks less harsh to me....but maybe not?....I was thinking of doing beastdrol with ABv3 full dose, also beastdrol with deca-durabolin 400mg and AMv2 full dose.....so I had some similar ideas of running a methyl with an androseries product and maybe with something else not so liver toxic.....
    that second one sounds nice.

    yeah i felt that having a sorta "test base" product like andromass + high dose stano would make things go along more smoothly.

    I def plan on doing tudca at 500 throughout, likely some liv 52 as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by darsh89 View Post
    that second one sounds nice.

    yeah i felt that having a sorta "test base" product like andromass + high dose stano would make things go along more smoothly.

    I def plan on doing tudca at 500 throughout, likely some liv 52 as well
    I just hope the AMv2 can stand up to that 400mg of deca per week but I am currently using dermacrine for a test base right now, and AHv3 with Pstanz for that DHT effect on top of it. with Trenazone. almost done and it seems to have worked pretty well overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    I just hope the AMv2 can stand up to that 400mg of deca per week but I am currently using dermacrine for a test base right now, and AHv3 with Pstanz for that DHT effect on top of it. with Trenazone. almost done and it seems to have worked pretty well overall.
    why run amv2 over test since u have access to deca?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darsh89 View Post
    why run amv2 over test since u have access to deca?
    running whats already "in-house", and using legal alternatives to stack with whatever I already have. for now at least....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    running whats already "in-house", and using legal alternatives to stack with whatever I already have. for now at least....
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