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    which of these ph is better for my goals ?


    Hi guys, i was planning a summer ph cycle and i was wondering which of these ph would be better to reach my goals.
    I'm 21, 1,80 m x 176 lbs at around 10 % bodyfat. For this summer i want to reach 7-8 % bf and increase muscle hardness, density and vascularity, and have a "dry" look. I've already started to cut calories, and i do lot of cardio (10 miles of running 4 x week). I don't have any problems to gain muscle mass (and fat to, of course), so i don't care about losing muscle, that is an hard thing for my body's morphotype.
    I'm looking for a ph that helps me to reach the look i want, and why not, that helps me to mantain strength and stamina on a calories deficit.
    I'm undecided about these three ph: epistane, an 11-oxo clone or m4ohn.
    For PCT i will use nolva + DAA + erase, that worked greatly for my first ph cycle (stanodrol at 600 mg/day).
    So, which of these ph is better for my goals?
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    You can never go wrong with H-drol, I would start a 6 week cycle of that and if you have some extra money throw in some Katanadrol 2.0, but the H-drol will be a good solid recomp or bulk. Your PCT is spot on so other then that you should be good to go!
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    and is h drol good enough in a strong cutting regime?
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    Yes, just do some searching on these forums and the answer will speak for them selves, and as long as your diet and workout plan in in key you will be set.
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    Androhard for 8 weeks if you can muster the $$$, hdrol or epi may make your running impossible if you get back or calf pumps
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydollars View Post
    Androhard for 8 weeks if you can muster the $$$, hdrol or epi may make your running impossible if you get back or calf pumps
    i agree here. androhard has actually increased my stamina and i never get back or shin pumps on it. i also run 30 or so miles a week.
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    I don't get half that cardio in per week.. you're in good shape, man! The H-Drol should be fine, but if your gains aren't where you want them to be then try easing up on the cardio.
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    I've thinked about androahard v3, but it's too much expensive...
    What about proviron instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91 View Post
    I've thinked about androahard v3, but it's too much expensive...
    What about proviron instead?
    If you have a supplier for proviron most people would say go ahead and take something better, like some testosterone.
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    but i don't want to gain mass, just increase hardness and vascularity while losing body fat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91 View Post
    but i don't want to gain mass, just increase hardness and vascularity while losing body fat...
    Whether or not you gain mass is mainly dependent on how you train and how you eat rather than what you take, aside from bloating up a little bit.
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    Just try Katanadrol 2.0 by itself. I mean if your just want hardness and vascularity while losing bf then here will be your choices either stacked or standalone. Preferable stacked. Just remember diet and training must be in check along with sleep.

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    Also lowering estrogen will promote tightness and leanness etc.
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    I am currently doing a cycle of helladrol and androhard for a recomp. This is my first cycle and so far I am seeing amazing results. Androhard is expensive but in my opinion definitely worth it. My personal opinion is your body is nothing to be cheap with. My goals are somewhat similar. I am 225, not trying to get bigger at all, I just want to lean out. If you can mange androhard I think you'll find what you are looking for.
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    Epi may not be a bad idea if you want to harden up some without gaining alot of mass. It's makes me harden up some and put on around 8lbs of solid mass.
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    All the compounds you named are good options. Anything DHT based with a high androgenic to anabolic ratio
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    katanadrol v 2 looks interesting... a 4-6 weeks cycle at 250 mg/day could be ideal for my goals.. i have to stay on huge calories deficit to shred the last stubborn fat and go below 10% of bf..
    what about proviron compared to androhard v3 ?
    Basically androhard is a two step precursor of dht, instead proviron is a methyl-dht, so i think proviron would be better (I can have it pharmaceutical grade...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91
    katanadrol v 2 looks interesting... a 4-6 weeks cycle at 250 mg/day could be ideal for my goals.. i have to stay on huge calories deficit to shred the last stubborn fat and go below 10% of bf..
    what about proviron compared to androhard v3 ?
    Basically androhard is a two step precursor of dht, instead proviron is a methyl-dht, so i think proviron would be better (I can have it pharmaceutical grade...)
    You need to run katana higher than 250 for results. 350-400 for 6 weeks, expensive though
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    You need to run katana higher than 250 for results. 350-400 for 6 weeks, expensive though
    This right here ^ unless mr supps has a bogo then your one lucky person. Androhardv3 the price in just insane a ridiculously.
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    From what you described, 11-oxo at 750+ mg/day would give you the look you want w/o any sides IMO. Lots of threads here and on other boards citing it's efficacy for cutting, hardening, fat loss while maintaining strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    From what you described, 11-oxo at 750+ mg/day would give you the look you want w/o any sides IMO. Lots of threads here and on other boards citing it's efficacy for cutting, hardening, fat loss while maintaining strength.

    Save the juice for real cycles.
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    Good luck trying to find it tho it's damn near impossible
    Not in Europe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    From what you described, 11-oxo at 750+ mg/day would give you the look you want w/o any sides IMO. Lots of threads here and on other boards citing it's efficacy for cutting, hardening, fat loss while maintaining strength.

    Save the juice for real cycles.
    So what kind of pct should i follow for an 11-oxo clone only cycle?
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    11oxo is easy to find. You can buy bulk powders in the US too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91 View Post
    So what kind of pct should i follow for an 11-oxo clone only cycle?
    11-OXO requires a standard 4 week PCT: SERM (Nolvadex, Clomid,or Torem) , A.I. (Erase, ATD, 6-bromo), Cortisol (erase, lean xtreme), and Test booster (DAA, Testepro etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91 View Post
    Hi guys, i was planning a summer ph cycle and i was wondering which of these ph would be better to reach my goals.
    I'm 21, 1,80 m x 176 lbs at around 10 % bodyfat. For this summer i want to reach 7-8 % bf and increase muscle hardness, density and vascularity, and have a "dry" look. I've already started to cut calories, and i do lot of cardio (10 miles of running 4 x week). I don't have any problems to gain muscle mass (and fat to, of course), so i don't care about losing muscle, that is an hard thing for my body's morphotype.
    I'm looking for a ph that helps me to reach the look i want, and why not, that helps me to mantain strength and stamina on a calories deficit.
    I'm undecided about these three ph: epistane, an 11-oxo clone or m4ohn.
    For PCT i will use nolva + DAA + erase, that worked greatly for my first ph cycle (stanodrol at 600 mg/day).
    So, which of these ph is better for my goals?
    Andro Hard, would be a good choice, but Tren would be faster and better overall. Plus PP and the andro series seems to be a hit or miss situation, depending on body chemistry person to person. Ive read 100 good reviews, and 100 bad. (Not literally)
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    Neh. Feel free to Pm me. It's readily available at a popular online store.

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    Not sure if big bill is talking about non-methly oral tren, methyl tren, or injectible tren... Non methly is a impossible to find, and methly is some pretty harsh stuff.
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    I can have the non methyl oral tren (the PH)... but I'm afraid of the strong suppressive effect that has on HPTA...
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    **** epi and stano, 11-oxo is good too
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    I think I'll go with 11 oxo at 500 mg/day for 6 weeks and probably 50 mg of proviron ED.
    PCT will be nolva 20/20/10/10, DAA and erase from week 3. Strict diet and cardio will do the rest.
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    Couldn't agree more with your choice based on your objectives. You can always BUMP to 1 Gram 11-oxo for some WICKED results.
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    11-oxo is great option for you as it also suppresses cortisol. I would run it 750 a day.. I ran Epi and 11-oxo on a calorie deficit and still saw increases in strength and great leaning out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Couldn't agree more with your choice based on your objectives. You can always BUMP to 1 Gram 11-oxo for some WICKED results.
    Ima have to agree as well
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    But 11-oxo is too expensive to run it at 1 gr/day..
    Nobody has talked about m4ohn, I know it is good for cutting and increasing vascularity, it isn't very suppressive despite it is a nandrolone derivative and it's cheaper than 11-oxo. In UK it's available from two brands, m4ohn by dragon nutrition (100 x 10 mg caps) and oxavar by designer ergogens (50 x 10 mg caps).
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    Anyone has an opinion on m4ohn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91
    Anyone has an opinion on m4ohn?
    It might be hard to get a lot of feedback here. I believe it's been banned since 04 so those who tried it might not remember everything anyways.

    I'd try a UK forum or google search logs
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    You guys are funny, non methyl oral tren.

    Only tren ph is trenavar.
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    That's what I was thinkin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    You guys are funny, non methyl oral tren.

    Only tren ph is trenavar.
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    I'm pretty sure trenavar converts to actual Tren
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