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    Quote Originally Posted by Tansui

    X-tren (non-methyl oral tren): 19-norandrosta-4 9-diene-3 17-dione
    Trenavar: Estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione
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    X-Tren was an active that bound to andro receptors and it converted to a target hormone (i think it was tren but not sure), it was available as an oral or transdermal. It can still be found if you look hard but there are a lot of fakes out there as well it was outlawed in the U.S at the same time as Bold and Phera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Beep! do not pisses go, do not collect 200 dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Beep! do not pisses go, do not collect 200 dollars.
    Try again slick.
    how is that wrong? thats straight off the label
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    I think xtren is dienelone while trenavar converts to trenbelone but I'm getting old and my memory is failing
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtracy33
    I think xtren is dienelone while trenavar converts to trenbelone but I'm getting old and my memory is failing
    U of O huh?
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    Yea graduated in 99 good times
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtracy33
    Yea graduated in 99 good times
    I'm from corvallis lol
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    Ah nice had some good times up there as well haha. I'll be there for civil war this year
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtracy33
    Ah nice had some good times up there as well haha. I'll be there for civil war this year
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtracy33
    I think xtren is dienelone while trenavar converts to trenbelone but I'm getting old and my memory is failing
    Ding ding!

    But

    Xtren and other now banned tren pro hormones contain pro dienolone.
    Trenazone contains dienolone with a transdermal carrier, needing no conversion.
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    way to hijack the thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b

    Ding ding!

    But

    Xtren and other now banned tren pro hormones contain pro dienolone.
    Trenazone contains dienolone with a transferal carrier, needing no conversion.
    Well at least I was close
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    trenazone is good for cutting/hardening or it leads to bloating and water retention?
    And it is very suppressive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91
    trenazone is good for cutting/hardening or it leads to bloating and water retention?
    And it is very suppressive?
    Im not bloating on it and I'm running it at 2ml for 5 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91
    trenazone is good for cutting/hardening or it leads to bloating and water retention?
    And it is very suppressive?
    It contains dienolone, a steroid similar to trenbolone
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91
    trenazone is good for cutting/hardening or it leads to bloating and water retention?
    And it is very suppressive?
    I bloated a bit at the end, but I had added transaderm by that point, so it's possible there was some estrogen conversion there. It is VERY suppressive, IMO, though I bounced back very quickly with torem and clomid.
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    You didn't get bloat from the trenazone.
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    It doesn't convert to estrogen, but it is a progestin, so prolactin induced gyno can be an issue... And for PCT should be used clomid rather then nolvadex, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    You didn't get bloat from the trenazone.
    You don't think you can bloat from dienelone?

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    Have you considered waitng for the new androlean to come out? Looks promising. I plan on running a cycle sometime mid summer.
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    An other androlean? V4 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91
    An other androlean? V4 ?
    Androlean v3...still has yet to be released. I believe May 31st it ships.
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    I am releasing proto type liqui-caps this friday to 2 guys to test....I believe they will be please with the results. Of course we can only go by 11-oxo result since 11KT caproate has not been released yet.

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    At the moment i'm undecided between an 11-oxo (500 mg/day) + proviron (50 mg/day) cycle and a katanadrol (250 mg/day) + proviron (50 mg/day) cycle...

    What about instead 11-ketotestosterone spray by prototype nutrition?
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    Sprays/Topicals get old - FAST!

    My vote goes to 11-oxo oral (but at 750 mg+).

    K-drol as the #2 pick. I like the stuff and may also serve your purpose if diet is locked in. 300 mg is better IMO

    Proviron is VERY WEAK in terms of aesthetic results! Don't waste your time.

    It's big brother Masteron (illegal) would be one to consider to harden up very nicely (popular pre-contest IF already lean)



    Quote Originally Posted by fenix91 View Post
    At the moment i'm undecided between an 11-oxo (500 mg/day) + proviron (50 mg/day) cycle and a katanadrol (250 mg/day) + proviron (50 mg/day) cycle...

    What about instead 11-ketotestosterone spray by prototype nutrition?
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    ok, i'll go with 11 oxo (11-lean by smart powders, that is very cheap) at 1 gr/day. Since it is a cortisol blocker, how should I structure PCT?
    I'm going to use nolvadex, DAA and erase for PCT, but I will add erase only on week 3 of PCT, so the first two week should I have to incorporate a cortisol controller like lean xtreme? And then on week 3, since erase is a cortisol cotroller to, should I have to stop taking lean xtreme?
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    A regimen of Vitamin C and/or Rhodiola Rosea would be a more cost effective cortisol suppressant than lean extreme try 200mg vitamin c with each meal and post workout, with 500mg RR pre workout and at bedtime.

    Vitamin C is water soluble and has a very short half life that's why you want to use smaller doses more often. Rosea has a longer half-life and is more effective used overnight... in my experience anyway.

    I'm a big fan of both and have used high dosages of each for the better part of 3 years.
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    Or I can take the EndoAmp by Primordial Performance...
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