"Jump starting" cycles? yes? no? what to use?
- 09-30-2004, 01:26 PM
"Jump starting" cycles? yes? no? what to use?
Alright I know this is talked about alot, but usually its in the middle of other conversations. So I thought I'd make a poll to see what everyones opinion is on "jump starting" cycles.
--We are going to assume it is for a bulking cycle, where diet, training etc are in check.
--We'll use the example of a basic trans 1-test/4ad 4,6 or 8 weeker (though it could apply to others).
--and we'll assume we're talking about the jumpstart being 2 weeks (so if you think more or less is better specify).
--Keep in mind gains vs sides (not looking for no sides thats unrealistic, but rather is it worth it?)
--If you choose 'Other' please explain.
- 09-30-2004, 01:53 PM
I like the idea of jump starting your proposed cycle with M1T. What I have done in the past was, 10mg ed of M1T for the first week, then 5mg ed during the second. The reason for decreasing the M1T is due to the 1-test trans kicking in around that time, and to lower the possiblity of sides, such as lethargy. I would also suggest the cycle to be no less than 6 weeks, and no longer than 8.
For me, jump starting with M1,4ADD would be too wet of a cycle, but some like it.
09-30-2004, 03:00 PM
That is exactly what i was thinking last night about cuffs post. I was wondering
to run 1-test all 6 wks or start at wk 2 but i like your idea. How much 1 test did you
09-30-2004, 04:02 PM
I made a transdermal with T-Gel and mixed in 2.5 grams of 1-test, 2.5 grams of OHT, and 5 grams of 4AD. I was doing two squirts twice a day. So, whatever that comes out to. However, I learned that I am allergic to 1-test, but not to M1T. I had a very bad reaction (redness/blotches, itchy joints in fingers, etc.) at about week 4 and had to quit. Prior to that, I was seeing some good gains. I was up 12 pounds with a little bloat, not bad though, and very little b/f gain. Maybe 1%. Strength was up, libido was through the roof (got stiff when the wind blew), good pumps, etc. If it wasn't for the fact that I have a problem with the 1-test, I'd do this stack again in a heartbeat. If one doesn't have any OHT, then I'd mix the 1-test and 4AD at a 1:1 ratio.
09-30-2004, 04:07 PM
09-30-2004, 04:22 PM
09-30-2004, 04:46 PM
Cuffs I found exactly the same thing, rash and itchyness with 1-test, but m1t not so.
I say jump start it with 5mg m1t for 2 weeks.
1,4add 1g week 1-8
m4ohn 16mg week1-2
m40hn 32-40mg week 3-8
m1t 5mg week 1-2.
Should be very effective and dry, keeping most if not all gains. You'll just have to tolrate the m1t sides for 2 weeks though
10-01-2004, 01:37 PM
10-07-2004, 10:32 PM
8 week cycle 1test/4ad transOriginally Posted by J_MAN
jumpstart 2 weeks 10-15mg m1t
finish last 6 weeks with 120mg M14ad
lot of time off after this cycle...
10-08-2004, 02:48 AM
How about 12 weeks of 4AD cyp and 1-Test cyp
Jumpstart with 4 weeks M1,4ADDiol
finish with 4 weeks of either M5AA or MDHT
10-15-2004, 08:52 AM
10-15-2004, 09:49 AM
Because M5AA and MDHT do not build any mass. They are great for hardening and for their Anti-E properties though.Originally Posted by meathead1987
10-15-2004, 11:46 AM
10-18-2004, 09:42 AM
I'm thinking of jump starting my cutting cycle.
Here is my plan.
7 week cycle
week 1 5mg m-dien and 5mg m1t
week2-4 11mg m-dien and 30mg m5aa preworkout for the rest of the cycle
week5-6 14mg m-dien
week 7 15 mg m-dien
week 8-11 pct with nolva and 6 oxo
I'll take r-ala before, after and during cycle along with milkthistle and I'll be taking the doses with grapefruit juice.
The reason for the m-dien dosing is cos I wanna use all my m-dien in this one cycle and not be left with a useless 10mg or whatever.
How does that cycle sound? 5mg m1t shouldn't be too bad right??
10-19-2004, 01:36 PM
10-19-2004, 01:44 PM
I think you have way too many orals/methyls in that cycle. I would add some 1-test to the base of that stack and pick 1 or 2 methyls to use throughout but not stacked together.Originally Posted by TheManGuy
10-19-2004, 03:39 PM
Cool, I'm gonna drop the m1t and just do m-d for 7 weeks with 30mg m5aa 1hour pre workout 4 times a week.
That's pretty safe right? I'm only going to 14 mg m-d ed here and I am 230.
10-19-2004, 03:57 PM
if you were gonna do a 6 week cycle of m1t and m1,4, not stacked, but 2 weeks m1t and 4 weeks m1,4, which one would you start with and why?
10-19-2004, 06:40 PM
I won't recommend stacking any methyls but that seems to be a popular stack.Originally Posted by TheManGuy
10-20-2004, 08:09 AM
I'd like to see what m-dien can do for me before the ban, but the m5aa is sort of an ensurance policy just incase I don't respond to the m-d, so the cycle is not wasted.
I'm starting in 2 weeks, looking forward to it.
10-21-2004, 06:20 PM
I jumpstart my cycles with Test Prop, but if it was a PH cycle I would have to go with M1T. I used it before and it kicks in pretty quickly.
10-21-2004, 07:12 PM
10-21-2004, 08:33 PM
10-21-2004, 08:36 PM
I wouldn't run or recommend that stack so it's hard to have an opinion. I guess I would say run the M1T first to keep the possible sides at the beginning of the cycle and to get some quick strength going.Originally Posted by gsteclipse97
10-22-2004, 08:05 AM
That cycle is just too much. m1t first I'd say, but the total shotdown will be so high it will be hard to retain enough gains afterwards.
I'm thinking of running m4ohn at 60mg ed for 8 weeks, jumpstarted the first 4 weeks with 100mg m14add. Probably do 40mg m4ohn the first 4 weeks.
The last 4 weeks should solidify the gains, drop water and lead to most of the gains being lean and permanent into pct.
10-23-2004, 03:45 AM
10-24-2004, 07:45 PM
M1T kicks in quickly...but if you want some size before the trans really kick in I might go with M1,4
11-14-2004, 08:27 PM
I'm going to do a very similar stack (with a little more 1-test: my ratio will be 1t:4ad:4oht in 2:2:1 ratio).Originally Posted by Cuffs
I really hope my skin is not allergic to 1Test... and i also like the idea of a kickstart, BUT I will never do M1T.
What else would be good for the jumpstart (include also AAS, but only orals)?
M1,4ad kicks really quick?
Being my 4AD ratio lower than Cuffs', I dont mind a bit of water for the frist 2 weeks...
02-21-2005, 05:54 PM
I am doing your exact trans cycle with same substances.
I jumpstarted with M1,4ad at 80mg ed and am loving it so far.
At first it made me feel a little moody and gave me a ****ty
headache but now i feel great. It kicked in on day five and I
plan to run it 2 weeks (currently on day 7). I have gained about
5 pounds so far which is awesome for me in one week. I think I
may up my dose to 120 for the final week. I like this substance
because my last trans took 3.5 weeks to kick in so it gives a little
more bang at the begining. Hopefully once I quit the m1,4ad my
trans will kick in full stride and I will be able to solidify most of these
12-04-2005, 05:59 PM
I'm of the opinion that jump-starting a cycle should be done with a non-methyl because methyls make your liver synthesize steroid-neutralizing enzymes like mad. That they do not work on the methylated hormone is true, but they DO destroy your precious Test, Tren, whatever.
And since liver enzymes tend to stay high for a good bit after the ingestion of methyls, it means that a good part of your cycle will require a higher dose because you jump-started it with a methyl. I believe there is ample science backing what I am stating here.
Now of course this would mean frontloading or using a base hormone, or either finigenx or MAX LMG or, well, why not, prostanozol. Are there non-methylated orals that are "real gear"? Turinabol? If so, this enhances choices. I believe an injectable Prostanozol would be a good jump-starter, if only for how good it feels.
OTOH, I like the idea of finishing a cycle of medium/long esters with a methyl. This helps to go out with a bang, and to clear out all the hormones at the same time, so that you don't spend half your PCT still being ON, hindering your recovery.
It's one take on it. It holds up, but of course there's lots of personal preference involved, too.
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